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Railkid09 Samba Member
Joined: May 23, 2010 Posts: 18 Location: Texas
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:14 pm Post subject: splitting the case |
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whats the best way to split a case if you dont have the actual tool?? Ive tried a dead blow hammer and it did nothing... And I know that your not supposed to stick any prying device between the halves.. |
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Cusser Samba Member
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runamoc Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 5:30 am Post subject: |
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case splitting tool |
I made one out of a bolt and a piece of pipe
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Hydro626 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 5:55 am Post subject: |
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rubber mallet and some gravity _________________ 1972 Volkswagen baja Super Beetle "Elizabeth"
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Cusser Samba Member
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candymustang65 Banned
Joined: January 11, 2010 Posts: 1674 Location: APPLE VALLEY
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:30 am Post subject: |
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What are you blankin Crazy ?
No way on that tool .
The Oil Pump bore is extremely critical / Important / as in the O.D. of the oil pump houseing itself .
There's actually 2 places you can safely pry a case apart .
1 is the top of the Bell houseing in the Case split < Usuall is to notch it some no more than 1/2 inch down when prying .
The other place I never use but it's under the oil pump <, I usually just use a rubber mallet here and No prying .
Use Carb Spray < it eat's aviation permatex and Mr. Gasket type sealant's .
Work it apart carefully .
Note I actually Mike my Pump houseing O.D. and the I.D. of the Oil pump case hole.
Ahhh Read Bill Fisher's how to Hott Rod your V.W. book it will tell you what Im tellin you .
Maybe you could fabricate an expander tool like that but use an actuall oil pump houseing cut in half ?
Now there's a marketable Idea !
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lupin..the..3rd Samba Member
Joined: December 28, 2009 Posts: 1800
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 10:09 am Post subject: |
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candymustang65 wrote: |
What are you blankin Crazy ?
No way on that tool . |
x2 on this, unless you use a small block of wood on either end, to prevent damage to the oil pump bore. |
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chased33 Samba Member
Joined: May 09, 2010 Posts: 69 Location: Salt Lake City, UT
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Turgidflo Samba Member
Joined: January 05, 2016 Posts: 66 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 11:53 pm Post subject: Re: splitting the case |
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After experimenting to no avail I read the Tom Wilson Engine Rebuild case splitting info & found tapping a hammer at the tabs of metal that protrude/jut from the case at the seam works the best - There is one at the top near the flywheel housing & another at the bottom near the pully wheel on the other half of the case- The trick is to knock on both at the same time. If the case is held down firmly it shouldn’t take much force. Once its an 8th of an inch apart you should be able to pull it open by the cylinder studs.
I was like yeah right I found all the nuts on the Type 1 case but on closer inspection found one lurking below the Pully Wheel. If its not splitting easily its worth checking for extra nuts.
I'm doing a bad job paraphrasing i don't have the book to hand right now.
I recently picked up two 1500cc H 5 possible replacement engines and tried to get them both apart today for inspection for rebuild potential but only got one open :l Really don't understand why the second isn't splitting.. Is it true that some cases have a nut behind the flywheel ? I wasn't able to take the flywheel off yet- Don’t have socket that size & available impact wrench is probably not powerful enough. They are both H5's 65-69 engines |
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Abscate Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2016 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: splitting the case |
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I've popped most every case I've split over the past 50 years in the oil pump bore with a crowbar and a shop,rag
The OD on the oil pump is non critical. Sealing surfaces are on the rear face of the case, and oil pressure clearances are determined inside the pump, not outside. _________________ .ssS! |
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andrewvwclassic Samba Member
Joined: January 25, 2012 Posts: 920 Location: los angeles
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:08 am Post subject: |
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runamoc wrote: |
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case splitting tool |
I made one out of a bolt and a piece of pipe
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just use a thick peice of gasket paper or a swatch of rubber inbetween the bolt/socket and bore and you have a decent case splitter. No need to badger this guy he just needs to perfect this diy tool. |
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Lingwendil Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2009 Posts: 3988 Location: Antioch, California, a block from the hood
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:15 am Post subject: Re: splitting the case |
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Abscate wrote: |
I've popped most every case I've split over the past 50 years in the oil pump bore with a crowbar and a shop,rag
The OD on the oil pump is non critical. Sealing surfaces are on the rear face of the case, and oil pressure clearances are determined inside the pump, not outside. |
Why are the new loose fitting oil pumps a problem then? They were designed to be a few thou of press fit. if they fit loose you don't get good suction, and will not pressurize the oil galleys properly. why do you think that we have had to start installing O-rings on them then?
the last thing i want is a dent or burr standing proud of the bore and jacking up all the attention to detail i've given the build.
i will never use a case splitter, no need.
I always tap my case apart at the seam on top, and then pry them apart by yanking on either case half with my hands in the cylinder bores. never had an issue yet. _________________ 73 super beetle thread http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=649622 Back on the Road!
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andrewvwclassic Samba Member
Joined: January 25, 2012 Posts: 920 Location: los angeles
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:39 am Post subject: Re: splitting the case |
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Lingwendil wrote: |
Abscate wrote: |
I've popped most every case I've split over the past 50 years in the oil pump bore with a crowbar and a shop,rag
The OD on the oil pump is non critical. Sealing surfaces are on the rear face of the case, and oil pressure clearances are determined inside the pump, not outside. |
Why are the new loose fitting oil pumps a problem then? They were designed to be a few thou of press fit. if they fit loose you don't get good suction, and will not pressurize the oil galleys properly. why do you think that we have had to start installing O-rings on them then?
the last thing i want is a dent or burr standing proud of the bore and jacking up all the attention to detail i've given the build.
i will never use a case splitter, no need.
I always tap my case apart at the seam on top, and then pry them apart by yanking on either case half with my hands in the cylinder bores. never had an issue yet. |
Had a b case on its first split and ruined the sides of my deadblow as well as eating into that seem when metal started hiting aluminum. Case splitter is the best way, on the other hand A builders moral on a 3rd used oem vw case, can be quite low, causing them to do unthinkable atrosities, unspeakable aks, things that people wisper about in dark alleys and dimly lit street corners, but trying to take a vw tool and turning it into novelty.lol. all the OG pros used them you just said a few posts back that you like oem pushrod tubes, why not stick to the purist handbook, no pun intended. |
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NachoCar Samba Member
Joined: June 17, 2013 Posts: 323 Location: Ms
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:22 am Post subject: Re: splitting the case |
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Ignoramt question but....I searched. Tom Wilson book on order.
Is there a way or side to best rotate engine so the LEAST amount of innards shift or fall out? |
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Busstom Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2014 Posts: 3853 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:47 am Post subject: Re: splitting the case |
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NachoCar wrote: |
Ignoramt question but....I searched. Tom Wilson book on order.
Is there a way or side to best rotate engine so the LEAST amount of innards shift or fall out? |
Ideally you want the engine lying on its LEFT side (#'s 3 and 4 down), this puts the 6 main case nuts UP so that you can see and easily remove them, and puts the studs pointing upward as you remove the RIGHT case-half upward. Typically the only thing that is going to fall out in this scenario is the four lifters in the right half. They do make little clips (takes a pair only) to hold them in place, sometimes they work, sometimes not, but it's no big deal if you're replacing things anyway.
Clips: https://www.mooreparts.com/empi-5759-vw-lifter-ret...gKPlPD_BwE
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NachoCar Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:49 am Post subject: Re: splitting the case |
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Thanks so much! |
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Busstom Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2014 Posts: 3853 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 11:49 am Post subject: Re: splitting the case |
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No worries...I just edited and added the link for clips for your reference. |
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Cusser Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 12:01 pm Post subject: Re: splitting the case |
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Busstom wrote: |
They do make little clips (takes a pair only) to hold them in place, sometimes they work, sometimes not, but it's no big deal if you're replacing things anyway. |
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2016 Posts: 9967 Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:02 pm Post subject: Re: splitting the case |
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Cusser wrote: |
Busstom wrote: |
They do make little clips (takes a pair only) to hold them in place, sometimes they work, sometimes not, but it's no big deal if you're replacing things anyway. |
I just cut small pieces of metal coat hanger and bent them to be springy. |
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Busstom Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2014 Posts: 3853 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: splitting the case |
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VW_Jimbo wrote: |
I repurposed my flint for the Oxy/Acetylene welder. Cut the ends off! |
That's a good idea. You musta done two. Those things are hecka springy! |
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