Author |
Message |
vegpedlr Samba Member
Joined: June 07, 2014 Posts: 774 Location: TBD
|
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:53 pm Post subject: New Parts Are the WORST |
|
|
Said a mechanic at the shop when my frank no start problem was traced to a bad distributor cap.
Got stranded on the Olympic Peninsula over the weekend. Thought it was my fuel pump since I couldn’t hear it. Nope. Though bad plugs since mine were old. Installed freshies. Nope. New plug wires since I broke one. Nope.
The connection inside my fairly new cap that transfers spark to the rotor broke. Even if I had checked it I don’t know that I would have seen it. But if I had a spare and swapped it . .
The upside? I know I can give my van a tuneup on the roadside, should the need arise again.
But I would rather have been exploring Olympic National Park instead of FLAPS. _________________ 1985 Tintop 4 sp GW 2.3 “Connie”
2006 Mk V GTI 2.0 FSI “Penelope” |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Igeo Samba Member
Joined: September 25, 2018 Posts: 888 Location: Oakland, CA
|
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: New Parts Are the WORST |
|
|
Could be a defective cap. Or.....Excessive end play (up and down) in the distributor shaft? Is the rotor pushed all the way on? _________________ 1987 Westfalia 2.1 WBX Manual |
|
Back to top |
|
|
vegpedlr Samba Member
Joined: June 07, 2014 Posts: 774 Location: TBD
|
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:06 pm Post subject: Re: New Parts Are the WORST |
|
|
Igeo wrote: |
Could be a defective cap. Or.....Excessive end play (up and down) in the distributor shaft? Is the rotor pushed all the way on? |
Well, it is now. I’m pretty sure the old one was as well because I had to buy a different rotor that actually did seat all the way down.
Somewhat related, what do people see as typical service interval for spark plugs. I’ve seen answers differ by tens of thousands of miles. _________________ 1985 Tintop 4 sp GW 2.3 “Connie”
2006 Mk V GTI 2.0 FSI “Penelope” |
|
Back to top |
|
|
ALIKA T3 Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2009 Posts: 6360 Location: Honolulu,Hawaii and France
|
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:07 pm Post subject: Re: New Parts Are the WORST |
|
|
What brand was it?
I only install Bosch parts.
I've encountered the same thing on a customer's van that had a Napa part ( black rotor), no continuity between the center of the rotor to the edge contact. The brass contact must have cracked under the resin.
The light beige stuff is garbage too, I dunno the brand.
Tell me about it, I work full time on Vanagons exclusively. All garbage.
Recent rant, I had a fuel filler grommet split in 4 months, sold by GoWesty ( JP GROUP brand). BusLab sells the vitton model. After posting it on IG stories, many people came forward saying the same happened to them.
I took an old 35 years old grommet out of my drawer, cleaned it and fixed it like that, and I'm confident about it!
I keep all old seals that look good, now I'm getting them back in service bc I saw that shit coming a long time ago.
Today my starter relay took a shit too. I had continuity AND 12Vdc at the solenoid, tested with a multimeter. I swapped the relay with a 30 years old Hella/VW relay, problem solved. I gutted the old Chinese sealed relay and dropped in the German unit.
Every god damn day is like that. Until suppliers put pressure on their own suppliers, shit won't change. It's all about profit and keeping economic growth. That's not sustainable, and we're on the wrong end of the stick, sitting on it lengthwise. _________________ Silicone Steering Boots and 930 Cv boots for sale in the classifieds.
Syncro transmission upgrade parts in the Classifieds.
Subaru EJ22+UN1 5 speed transmission
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416343
Syncro http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4...num+gadget |
|
Back to top |
|
|
ALIKA T3 Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2009 Posts: 6360 Location: Honolulu,Hawaii and France
|
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:10 pm Post subject: Re: New Parts Are the WORST |
|
|
vegpedlr wrote: |
Igeo wrote: |
Could be a defective cap. Or.....Excessive end play (up and down) in the distributor shaft? Is the rotor pushed all the way on? |
Well, it is now. I’m pretty sure the old one was as well because I had to buy a different rotor that actually did seat all the way down.
Somewhat related, what do people see as typical service interval for spark plugs. I’ve seen answers differ by tens of thousands of miles. |
I did about 30k miles on a set of original spark plugs, cap, rotors and wires new from 1984, but 10 to 15k is recommended.
Stuff was still working fine. You can actually clean the contacts in the cap and on the rotor and double their life easily.
My old 1984 wires still checked ok ( you can take them apart to inspect contacts too). Parts we're sold separately back then. _________________ Silicone Steering Boots and 930 Cv boots for sale in the classifieds.
Syncro transmission upgrade parts in the Classifieds.
Subaru EJ22+UN1 5 speed transmission
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416343
Syncro http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4...num+gadget |
|
Back to top |
|
|
GoEverywhere Samba Member
Joined: December 13, 2020 Posts: 516 Location: Portland, OR
|
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: New Parts Are the WORST |
|
|
New parts have gone downhill lately... I don't have a distributor any longer (Megasquirt EFI, thats another story) but the coil pack I'm using has only been on my engine 9 months. Bought it brand new. Failed on me last week. Its the newest part ON my rig, and it was the first to go! |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Wildthings Samba Member
Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 50352
|
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: New Parts Are the WORST |
|
|
I view the cap and rotor as long life items, on my 91 the rotor was actually glued to the shaft from the factory likely to discourage people from changing it, the original plugs were also good for 60+ thousand miles. I think I had 80K on mine when I first changed them out and they still looked better than many of the replacements do at 5-10K miles. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
danfromsyr Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2004 Posts: 15144 Location: Syracuse, NY
|
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:54 pm Post subject: Re: New Parts Are the WORST |
|
|
I had that same problem with a distributor cap back in the 80s...
it's a thing it happens sometimes..
and now you'll always check for spark in a linear fashion...
no spark at the plug?
but yes spark from the coil...
check cap/rotor/wires _________________
Abscate wrote: |
These are the reasons we have words like “wanker” |
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
JudoJeff Samba Member
Joined: May 24, 2013 Posts: 1179 Location: Near Springfield, MA
|
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:53 am Post subject: Re: New Parts Are the WORST |
|
|
Counterfeit parts on eBay don’t help either. Bostigs use Ford Motorcraft parts, and most are Chinese fakes. You have to purchase from a Ford dealership to get genuine parts.
Bosch used to be a solid manufacturer, now they farm stuff out to who knows where. Junkyards provide better parts, I especially love the oldest vehicles! _________________ ________________________________________
1989 Vanagon GL Westfalia Camper, Burned up on 7/31/16.
1987 Vanagon GL Westfalia Camper, Bostig & Rebuilt, sold
1986 Vanagon GL Westfalia Camper, Bostig Sold May 10, 2021
1999 Ford GTRV Westfalia camper (30% bigger Westy layout) |
|
Back to top |
|
|
airschooled Air-Schooled
Joined: April 04, 2012 Posts: 12728 Location: on a bike ride somewhere
|
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 8:01 am Post subject: Re: New Parts Are the WORST |
|
|
If the car won't start, it's not the spark plugs, fuel injectors, or plug wires. Think of the cosmic seance required to make four completely independent parts all go bad at the same time.
If the van runs rough, absolutely suspect ONE of the four… If the car won't start, think immediately of single things that affect the whole engine. Ground plugs, ignition switch, vacuum leaks, etc.
Robbie _________________ Learn how your vintage VW works. And why it doesn't!
One-on-one tech help for your Volkswagen:
www.airschooled.com |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Igeo Samba Member
Joined: September 25, 2018 Posts: 888 Location: Oakland, CA
|
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 8:17 am Post subject: Re: New Parts Are the WORST |
|
|
vegpedlr wrote: |
Igeo wrote: |
Could be a defective cap. Or.....Excessive end play (up and down) in the distributor shaft? Is the rotor pushed all the way on? |
Well, it is now. I’m pretty sure the old one was as well because I had to buy a different rotor that actually did seat all the way down. |
Well OK, I guess we can blame the cap, but I'd wager half the time the new part is blamed as defective, it was actually the installation that was the problem. _________________ 1987 Westfalia 2.1 WBX Manual |
|
Back to top |
|
|
airschooled Air-Schooled
Joined: April 04, 2012 Posts: 12728 Location: on a bike ride somewhere
|
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 8:26 am Post subject: Re: New Parts Are the WORST |
|
|
Igeo wrote: |
vegpedlr wrote: |
Igeo wrote: |
Could be a defective cap. Or.....Excessive end play (up and down) in the distributor shaft? Is the rotor pushed all the way on? |
Well, it is now. I’m pretty sure the old one was as well because I had to buy a different rotor that actually did seat all the way down. |
Well OK, I guess we can blame the cap, but I'd wager half the time the new part is blamed as defective, it was actually the installation that was the problem. |
And half the time a new part “solves” an electrical problem, it’s usually the unplugging and plugging it back in that cures the corrosion issue. _________________ Learn how your vintage VW works. And why it doesn't!
One-on-one tech help for your Volkswagen:
www.airschooled.com |
|
Back to top |
|
|
cellerdoor Samba Member
Joined: July 10, 2012 Posts: 403 Location: Fairfax Virginia
|
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 8:34 am Post subject: Re: New Parts Are the WORST |
|
|
I have proactively replaced a lot of parts on my van, and the distributor should get some attention, but I'm terrified of new parts.
At some point not doing this will bite me in the ass _________________ 1986 Westy |
|
Back to top |
|
|
dobryan Samba Member
Joined: March 24, 2006 Posts: 16508 Location: Brookeville, MD
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
Yellow Rabbit Samba Member
Joined: August 31, 2005 Posts: 1146
|
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: New Parts Are the WORST |
|
|
For what it’s worth, parts.vw.com shows you can get an actual VW cap for about $35. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76941 Location: Sneaking up behind you
|
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:01 pm Post subject: Re: New Parts Are the WORST |
|
|
Nothing specific to Vanagon parts, or all VW parts, or all auto parts... or anything.
Go by a Delta faucet, a Yale door lock or even a GE appliance at Home Depot and you're getting an inferior item made to sell at a low price point.
You can buy an aftermarket 009 distributor for $37.50. And that's with tune up parts. _________________ Glenn
74 Beetle Specs | 74 Beetle Restoration | 2180cc Engine
"You may not get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"
Member #1009
#BlueSquare |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Klister Samba Member
Joined: March 06, 2018 Posts: 192 Location: Washington
|
Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2022 9:32 am Post subject: Re: New Parts Are the WORST |
|
|
Previous owner of my '91 Syncro had engine rebuilt to a 2.3 L. Mechanic used what looks like Porsche rocker arms that had a separate "elephant foot" end so was not all one piece. Well, that must have cracked apart and fallen into the engine and got ground up - as evidenced by the shiny oil once investigated.
Put on some standard rocker arms from a donor. Firggin' engine purrs now. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
DanHoug Samba Member
Joined: December 05, 2016 Posts: 4800 Location: Bemidji, MN
|
Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2022 10:07 am Post subject: Re: New Parts Are the WORST |
|
|
Klister wrote: |
Previous owner of my '91 Syncro had engine rebuilt to a 2.3 L. Mechanic used what looks like Porsche rocker arms that had a separate "elephant foot" end so was not all one piece. Well, that must have cracked apart and fallen into the engine and got ground up - as evidenced by the shiny oil once investigated.
Put on some standard rocker arms from a donor. Firggin' engine purrs now. |
there's a few ways the mechanic could have gone wrong but the elephant foot rockers available in the US are 8mm thread, stock Vanagon is 10mm. so he COULD have put in new high ratio rockers but failed to undercut the chin of the rocker, allowing the elephant foot to contact it and break it over time. or the rocker geometry could have been setup wrong. or the foot could have just failed but many people, including myself, have lots of miles with them without issue. i know i set mine up correctly. _________________ -dan
60% of what you find on the internet is wrong, including this post.
'87 Westy & '89 Westy both 2.1 4spd
Past projects can be found at--
www.thefixitworkshop.com |
|
Back to top |
|
|
the joker Samba Member
Joined: October 12, 2006 Posts: 1287
|
Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2022 10:49 am Post subject: Re: New Parts Are the WORST |
|
|
greed my friends runs the world, try to find NOS in europe it's out there
found new nos halls unit from Italian dealership buy out, just have to search hard |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Klister Samba Member
Joined: March 06, 2018 Posts: 192 Location: Washington
|
Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2022 1:05 pm Post subject: Re: New Parts Are the WORST |
|
|
DanHoug wrote: |
Klister wrote: |
Previous owner of my '91 Syncro had engine rebuilt to a 2.3 L. Mechanic used what looks like Porsche rocker arms that had a separate "elephant foot" end so was not all one piece. Well, that must have cracked apart and fallen into the engine and got ground up - as evidenced by the shiny oil once investigated.
Put on some standard rocker arms from a donor. Firggin' engine purrs now. |
there's a few ways the mechanic could have gone wrong but the elephant foot rockers available in the US are 8mm thread, stock Vanagon is 10mm. so he COULD have put in new high ratio rockers but failed to undercut the chin of the rocker, allowing the elephant foot to contact it and break it over time. or the rocker geometry could have been setup wrong. or the foot could have just failed but many people, including myself, have lots of miles with them without issue. i know i set mine up correctly. |
Point taken - yep |
|
Back to top |
|
|
|