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shagginwagon83
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 Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2022 9:36 pm Post subject: Adding shift rod bellows to an earlier trans 83.5-86 |
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I have an 83.5 Westy with the hard GoWesty Derlin bushings that was advertised 'never needs grease'.
Well they don't work that well anymore...plus GoWesty stopped selling them.
So I am looking into OEM shift bushing with OEM bellow boots from Buslab.
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| This shift rod boot can be retrofitted to an 83.5-86, but you may need to space the shift rod bushing support 6.5mm forward if you have the early transaxle case with the narrow shift rod support mount. If this is not done the rear boot will be compressed tightly and not allow the transaxle to get fully into 2nd or 4th. |
I have never really heard of this before but I might give it a shot. I was thinking about using .25" stainless steel to make the spacer.
Has anyone done this mod before? Also, I didn't realize there was a difference in transaxle cases after 86.
https://www.buslab.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=251711167F&CartID=2
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squeegee_boy
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2022 8:46 am Post subject: Re: Adding shift rod bellows to an earlier van |
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I have that setup. Daryl of AA (RIP) put the spacers in during my first rebuild, and I added the bellows when I rebuilt the whole shifting assembly afterwards
I'm not certain where the difference is, my Syncro trans case seemed to measure the same as my '84 2wd one. Maybe the rear shift rod is different?
It really does matter though.
Robyn
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ZsZ
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vanis13
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2022 9:44 am Post subject: Re: Adding shift rod bellows to an earlier van |
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that is a great manual. is it available in english?
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ALIKA T3
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2022 10:17 am Post subject: Re: Adding shift rod bellows to an earlier trans 83.5-86 |
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| shagginwagon83 wrote: |
I have an 83.5 Westy with the hard GoWesty Derlin bushings that was advertised 'never needs grease'.
Well they don't work that well anymore...plus GoWesty stopped selling them.
So I am looking into OEM shift bushing with OEM bellow boots from Buslab.
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| This shift rod boot can be retrofitted to an 83.5-86, but you may need to space the shift rod bushing support 6.5mm forward if you have the early transaxle case with the narrow shift rod support mount. If this is not done the rear boot will be compressed tightly and not allow the transaxle to get fully into 2nd or 4th. |
I have never really heard of this before but I might give it a shot. I was thinking about using .25" stainless steel to make the spacer.
Has anyone done this mod before? Also, I didn't realize there was a difference in transaxle cases after 86.
https://www.buslab.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=251711167F&CartID=2 |
Yes, as mentioned by ZsZ, you gotta buy 2 longer bolts and use 2 M8 nuts as spacers so the rear boot is not compressed, otherwise it's b=very hard to get into 2nd and 4th, you're fighting the rear boot.
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ZsZ
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:10 am Post subject: Re: Adding shift rod bellows to an earlier van |
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| vanis13 wrote: |
that is a great manual. is it available in english? |
I have one older without the additional leaflets:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5x6wxb9o6nhjp3q/5-speed-...2.pdf?dl=1
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vanis13
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2022 2:48 pm Post subject: Re: Adding shift rod bellows to an earlier trans 83.5-86 |
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nice! thank you!
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Westified
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:10 pm Post subject: Re: Adding shift rod bellows to an earlier trans 83.5-86 |
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Here is an image I annotated. I had to do this on my 1984 Westy after adding the rubber boots to the rear linkage. Now it shifts properly. I believe I got this image from the samba but put my own notations on it for the parts needed. Where I put broken was the shifter part we also replaced. Make sure you mount the linkage on the correct side of the linkage bracket, see photo. Hope it helps.
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ALIKA T3
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syncrodoka
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2022 7:20 pm Post subject: Re: Adding shift rod bellows to an earlier trans 83.5-86 |
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| This shim note is in the Bentley at the bottom of page 34.7a |
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Westified
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: Adding shift rod bellows to an earlier trans 83.5-86 |
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| ALIKA T3 wrote: |
| I spot custom made transmission mounts for the Syncro, do you remember where the photo was from? |
I got the photo from Samba member GreggK.
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Westified
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 5:53 pm Post subject: Re: Adding shift rod bellows to an earlier trans 83.5-86 |
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| ALIKA T3 wrote: |
| I spot custom made transmission mounts for the Syncro, do you remember where the photo was from? |
I got the photo from Samba member GreggK.
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ALIKA T3
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:05 pm Post subject: Re: Adding shift rod bellows to an earlier trans 83.5-86 |
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| ALIKA T3 wrote: |
| I spot custom made transmission mounts for the Syncro, do you remember where the photo was from? |
I got the photo from Samba member GreggK. |
Thank you!
I saw afterwards it's a 2WD, so it might be the RMW mount they were selling back then.
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Syncro transmission upgrade parts in the Classifieds.
Subaru EJ22+UN1 5 speed transmission
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416343
Syncro http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4...num+gadget |
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syncrodoka
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:50 pm Post subject: Re: Adding shift rod bellows to an earlier trans 83.5-86 |
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| ALIKA T3 wrote: |
| I spot custom made transmission mounts for the Syncro, do you remember where the photo was from? |
I got the photo from Samba member GreggK. |
Thank you!
I saw afterwards it's a 2WD, so it might be the RMW mount they were selling back then. |
FAS mount
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...p;start=20 |
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ALIKA T3
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ajdenette
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: Adding shift rod bellows to an earlier trans 83.5-86 |
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I had a friend try to install the bellows on his 85 with the stock bushing mounts and resulted in a very stiff shifting van he ended up removing them to make the van shift well. I compared a set of Syncro shift bushing shells that came with the bellows to the set on his van and found that they were different between the two.
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shagginwagon83
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| Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 3:07 pm Post subject: Re: Adding shift rod bellows to an earlier trans 83.5-86 |
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Strange. My 83.5 adapted pretty easily with the spacer method mentioned here in the thread. Shifting is perfect. Maybe your friend put the shift bracket on the wrong side, near the trans.
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MarkWard
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| Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 6:30 am Post subject: Re: Adding shift rod bellows to an earlier trans 83.5-86 |
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From another perspective. As simple as the boots and bushing appear, they are not quickly swapped out. I have them on our 82 with the later 4 speed and the boots did not last actually retaining dirt and water once they split. I also went through the GW bushings on the syncro and over a few months they seized the shift shaft GW made good on them.
So I’m installing the original soft bushings with no boots now. I know they will hold up better than the bellow boots and I can see the bushings and shaft. Cleaning and lubing is easier than replacing boots on a regular basis. Your results may vary.
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