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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22431 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:34 pm Post subject: Type4 in a type3 mounting |
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Well, since Tomnotch suggested it, "Mounts should be a seperate topic.
and I have something to share on them." here goes.
I'm putting in a 2.0L t-4 into my AT equipped 69 Square, so should I use a bus style trans mount (hung above the trans)? Or can I modify the t-3 engine hanger bar to bolt directly to the rear of the engine (like a t-3 does), and hang it like a stock type3 engine? I've heard that the t-4 shouldn't carry any weight, and this seems kinda strange. I thought the engine case was supposed to be stronger than a t-1/t-3 engine case. Any suggestions are appreciated. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
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Russ Wolfe Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2004 Posts: 25187 Location: Central Iowa
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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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I would do both. suspend the trans, and use the rear hanger. On the original T-4, the front of the tranny was just plugged into a socket with a rubber thingy. (Kinda like the rear hanger on an early T-3) It needed the middle and the rear hanger. _________________ Society is like stew. If you don't keep it stirred up, you end up with a lot of scum on the top!--Edward Abbey
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rokcrln Samba Member
Joined: August 07, 2005 Posts: 162 Location: Winters ca. 95694
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Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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The type4 is a stronger block and lower end not mount system. I plan on using the stock trans tubes (1964) and adding a rear engine mount. The way I see it is, it is easy to fab up a rear mount but hard to repair a broken case. I plan to run a 2.3 to 2.5L turbo and a 901 5spd (on its way) so I would rather go tward the side of over built. Also I will be building a 8-10 point cage and the rear engine mount will tie into that as well.
Kevin _________________ 64 Sun Roof Notch S
71 Chevy PU, bagged,body dropped,LT1
71 Ford Bronco stock 59K miles
05 Tube frame rockcrawler
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22431 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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Russ Wolfe wrote: |
I would do both. suspend the trans, and use the rear hanger. On the original T-4, the front of the tranny was just plugged into a socket with a rubber thingy. (Kinda like the rear hanger on an early T-3) It needed the middle and the rear hanger. |
Yeah, I'll probably go that route, since I've got both IRS and AT (no trans support tubes). I might have to study Tom's Notch more closely, as I had thought about putting this engine into a MT car at a later date, as I've already got the 210mm flywheel (with t-1 style pilot bearing installed in it) and the matching 210mm clutch assembly. I think I'll try to set up that "mid mount" as a bolt in, that way I can swap it over at a later date if I choose. Thanks for the help. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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vw4life269s Samba Member
Joined: July 13, 2004 Posts: 175 Location: Simi Valley, California
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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I put the rear engine bar off a type 2 on my block and then made some T-bars,to copy the stock type 3 rubber mount but made these solid. Then used a spacer about 1 inch between the engine bar and stock type 3 mounts.MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE ENGINE BAR PARALLEL WITH THE FAN SCHROUD,THAT WAY THE RUBBER MOUNTS ON THE ENGINE BAR ARE CORRECT !Then what I did was run a bar parallel to the engine lid were the engine lid 2 notches go in.And then drilled straight down and put 2 type 2 mounts bolted to it and then ran bars from the engine bell housing to the rubber mounts.Like this \ and /. Those help from the engine from rocking from side to side. Those mount on a type 4 are to stop the engine from swaying from side to side not to HOLD UP th engine! Thats how the type 4 was!.Anyone with a type 4 can see.What I measured was how far down the stock type 3 mounts go from where they bolt to where they bolt to the stock type 3 engine bar.THAT way it would have the engine cooling ducting or bellow lined up for the intake boot.I have pictures.Just have to get them scanned this weekend at kinkos or somewhere. _________________ 1969 Squareback Dropped valve and head gasket!! at 83,000 miles --Soon a 2300 RAT MASSIVE Type IV Equipped)
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vw4life269s Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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Oh yea, make sure you have the motor not twisted when you are lining everything up, check that at the front tranny mount, you can tell in the rubber if its twisted. _________________ 1969 Squareback Dropped valve and head gasket!! at 83,000 miles --Soon a 2300 RAT MASSIVE Type IV Equipped)
1969 Beetle w/1776 turbo (NOW BOOSTING !)
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22431 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the advice. I ended up looking in my green Bentley (68 to 74 Bus) at how VW did it in a bus. It gave me a few ideas on how I'm going to fab something up. At least now with everyone's help and advice I know I need to build 2 brackets, one for the engine, and onefor the trans. Thanks. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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