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mj2k
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 Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 2:49 am Post subject: Is a gut feeling about a car ever wrong? |
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I've just discovered my project needs a lot more work than it appeared to, but right from the beginning my gut feeling was telling me there was something bad going on underneath the new paintwork and metal, which is why I decided to put it together as quickly as possible so I could get it tested and drive it a bit to find the hidden issues.
As it happens my partner's feelings take priority over my 'gut', so I'm going to have to restore the Super even though it's most likely a breaker, but it struck me - is your gut feeling about a car ever wrong? And if it is, would you admit it to yourself?  |
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Abscate
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 3:48 am Post subject: Re: Is a gut feeling about a car ever wrong? |
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| new paintwork and metal, |
Any car sold with this, without before pictures, is a cosmetically adorned porcine unit.
Who does good bodywork without documenting before and after?
No one.
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mj2k
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:33 am Post subject: Re: Is a gut feeling about a car ever wrong? |
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| new paintwork and metal, |
Any car sold with this, without before pictures, is a cosmetically adorned porcine unit.
Who does good bodywork without documenting before and after?
No one. |
Very true, though even a good project thread (or folder) can be deceptive - many years ago there was a well-known user on a UK Land Rover forum who had restored his Series 2 (early 1960s 4x4 if you haven't seen one) seemingly to a good standard. Only he hadn't fitted the same size brake drums on the same axle and the steering box / suspension was very worn, and since he would have known he'd taken dangerous shortcuts he got charged with manslaughter when the LR went out of control and killed someone!  |
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Iowa Mark
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 5:51 am Post subject: Re: Is a gut feeling about a car ever wrong? |
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| Sold my old Datsun pick-up with 210,000 miles on it because I could just feel it was about to die. The kid I sold it to drove the crap out of it for the next 4-5 years before totaling it. |
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mj2k
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 6:02 am Post subject: Re: Is a gut feeling about a car ever wrong? |
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| Iowa Mark wrote: |
| Sold my old Datsun pick-up with 210,000 miles on it because I could just feel it was about to die. The kid I sold it to drove the crap out of it for the next 4-5 years before totaling it. |
Wow, that's a tough old truck! Still, guaranteed the engine would have dropped out the bottom if you had kept it... |
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oprn
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 6:19 am Post subject: Re: Is a gut feeling about a car ever wrong? |
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Oh yes I have been wrong about a car that I bought. Bad bodywork rarely gets by me though, I can spot that a mile away! In fact when I go to a VW event I struggle to keep a lid on my opinions as I talk to the owners. It matters not if they did the work themselves or bought it that way. They don't want to know what I see!
It's just the old body man in me talking... 
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mj2k
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 6:44 am Post subject: Re: Is a gut feeling about a car ever wrong? |
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Oh yes I have been wrong about a car that I bought. Bad bodywork rarely gets by me though, I can spot that a mile away! In fact when I go to a VW event I struggle to keep a lid on my opinions as I talk to the owners. It matters not if they did the work themselves or bought it that way. They don't want to know what I see!
It's just the old body man in me talking... |
Ha ha, I know what you mean, even though I've only done a bit of bodywork on rusty old Triumphs and Italian cars, my 'spider sense' was tingling about my current project, even though I could see both sides of the the roof and firewall, and they were ok. Had that once before for an old Vauxhall Victor (a GM-owned UK brand with a reputation for rust) too - I crawled underneath, scraped off a bit of underseal with my fingernail here and there, and found the floorpan was a patchwork of panels cut from at least 6 different Victors, judging by the colours!
I still wanted it the Super despite my doubts though - I didn't want to ruin an immaculate one and it was pretty cheap for a Bug with so many new panels and decent paintwork, even if most of it did come in boxes I always figured it might be a breaker, but it didn't even occur to me that my partner would like it quite so much, which I guess proves a lady's feelings are more unpredictable than a Beetle's body rot  |
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Bonesberg55
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 7:19 am Post subject: Re: Is a gut feeling about a car ever wrong? |
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| I get a gut feeling quite often but it's probably because I'm the Secretary of Steak. |
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mj2k
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 7:26 am Post subject: Re: Is a gut feeling about a car ever wrong? |
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| Bonesberg55 wrote: |
| I get a gut feeling quite often but it's probably because I'm the Secretary of Steak. |
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Who.Me? 
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 1:03 pm Post subject: Re: Is a gut feeling about a car ever wrong? |
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| Iowa Mark wrote: |
| Sold my old Datsun pick-up with 210,000 miles on it because I could just feel it was about to die. The kid I sold it to drove the crap out of it for the next 4-5 years before totaling it. |
Wow, that's a tough old truck! Still, guaranteed the engine would have dropped out the bottom if you had kept it... |
Nah. This guy could rebuild it... https://www.facebook.com/reel/999524694051682
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mj2k
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 3:05 pm Post subject: Re: Is a gut feeling about a car ever wrong? |
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| Iowa Mark wrote: |
| Sold my old Datsun pick-up with 210,000 miles on it because I could just feel it was about to die. The kid I sold it to drove the crap out of it for the next 4-5 years before totaling it. |
Wow, that's a tough old truck! Still, guaranteed the engine would have dropped out the bottom if you had kept it... |
Nah. This guy could rebuild it... https://www.facebook.com/reel/999524694051682 |
Hope he didn't recondition the engine in my Super, but nothing would surprise me
Bet that old Datsun still ran fine despite that horror too...
Still not quite as tough as this Toyota Hilux though:
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Joe 20
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2022 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: Is a gut feeling about a car ever wrong? |
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Always go with your gut...
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mj2k
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2022 1:29 am Post subject: Re: Is a gut feeling about a car ever wrong? |
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| Joe 20 wrote: |
| Always go with your gut... |
For any fans of NCIS:
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swharris
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:23 am Post subject: Re: Is a gut feeling about a car ever wrong? |
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| The ones I've been wrong on are ALL the ones I passed up. '66 21 window $3500, really nice Puck trailer for $2500, '62 OG paint ragtop bug for $2000. The list goes on and on. I was always short of money or it was house or kids or space. lol Oh well. |
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nsracing
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2022 8:13 pm Post subject: Re: Is a gut feeling about a car ever wrong? |
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If the price is too good to be true - it is.
For VWs, we will always need extra parts to keep a good one running a long time. It is not unusual to buy a parts car or bus.
YOu want into this hobby - here it is. |
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TDCTDI
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2022 6:51 am Post subject: Re: Is a gut feeling about a car ever wrong? |
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| …is your gut feeling about a car ever wrong? And if it is, would you admit it to yourself? |
The real question is… Is your gut feeling about a car ever right?
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2022 7:05 am Post subject: Re: Is a gut feeling about a car ever wrong? |
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mj2k
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2022 7:09 am Post subject: Re: Is a gut feeling about a car ever wrong? |
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That's fighting talk
I'm in the UK so we don't get the same Subaru models as the USA; generally the UK lineup is designed for 90 year olds and up (they are feeble but reliable) so the 'weapons of choice' are Japanese imports. They are rather fun, even if you mix UK and Japanese parts in the same car:
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Who.Me?
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:08 am Post subject: Re: Is a gut feeling about a car ever wrong? |
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we don't get the same Subaru models as the USA; generally the UK lineup is designed for 90 year olds and up |
Mention Subaru and the only cars that come to my mind are the Impreza WRX and the Forester equivalent. Either would scare your average Grandad to death.
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mj2k
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:22 am Post subject: Re: Is a gut feeling about a car ever wrong? |
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we don't get the same Subaru models as the USA; generally the UK lineup is designed for 90 year olds and up |
Mention Subaru and the only cars that come to my mind are the Impreza WRX and the Forester equivalent. Either would scare your average Grandad to death. |
Have a look at Subaru UK's current line-up, every page mentions 'safety' first, and even the vaguely interesting ones in the past decade are rebadged Toyotas! It's been like this since about 2012, and the last new performance models were introduced in about 2005 
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