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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:51 am    Post subject: Re: Jimmy Vís 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

Nice work on those "Bermuda Triangle" and rear quarter closure bits.

Aren't the Bermuda Triangles supposed to have drain/ventilation opening at the bottom?

This car just keeps looking better every time I check in on progress!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Jimmy Vís 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

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Nice work on those "Bermuda Triangle" and rear quarter closure bits.

Aren't the Bermuda Triangles supposed to have drain/ventilation opening at the bottom?

This car just keeps looking better every time I check in on progress!


Thank you!

Yep! They most certainly do! Mine came with giant ones with flakes adorning the rim of them. I call them rust flowers! I found a few photos with the drain hole location and will be poking it in there this next weekend!

Thanks again for chiming in!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2022 7:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Jimmy Vís 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

I'm sorry Jimbo, I had to laugh at you for dropping that triangle in the hole. Laughing that is totally something I see myself doing over here. I lost some parts to install popout windows that way in the Super and had to order some more and to this day the ones in the body remain in there somewhere. I guess I should have built a rotisserie Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 12:09 am    Post subject: Re: Jimmy Vís 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

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I'm sorry Jimbo, I had to laugh at you for dropping that triangle in the hole. Laughing that is totally something I see myself doing over here. I lost some parts to install popout windows that way in the Super and had to order some more and to this day the ones in the body remain in there somewhere. I guess I should have built a rotisserie Very Happy


Dude! I laughed good and hard, too! As I was seating that piece into place, I was complimenting to myself on how tight the cut was. That this would be so easy to weld due to there being no gap. And thenÖ.clink, clank, silenceÖnothing hit the garage floor. F! Dammit, I know better!

Yep! Each time I have cut a heater channel out, the car pays me a little bit. Even this one had a few coins! Guess the next custodian of your Bug will get a few extra pop out window parts!

Thanks! Got me chuckling!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 1:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Jimmy Vís 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

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Ground those down and shot some primer.
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You have closed the complete hole? You now that the first 5mm or so normally have to be open as drain hole?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2022 10:43 am    Post subject: Re: Jimmy Vís 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

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Ground those down and shot some primer.
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You have closed the complete hole? You now that the first 5mm or so normally have to be open as drain hole?


Thank you!

Yep! Know there is a drain hole at that point. Problem is, I cannot find a decent picture of that drain hole. Been looking every now and again. Soon it will have a drain hole.

Thanks for double checking my work! It takes a tribe to build a good car!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2022 11:48 am    Post subject: Re: Jimmy Vís 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

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pastellgreen wrote:
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Ground those down and shot some primer.
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You have closed the complete hole? You now that the first 5mm or so normally have to be open as drain hole?


Thank you!

Yep! Know there is a drain hole at that point. Problem is, I cannot find a decent picture of that drain hole. Been looking every now and again. Soon it will have a drain hole.

Thanks for double checking my work! It takes a tribe to build a good car!


Unfortunately I don't have a picture of this area. It is a rectangular hole, just as if you have cut your plate 5, 6mm shorter and left the rest open. Very simple design, not a created hole by drilling or cutting afterwards.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2022 11:54 am    Post subject: Re: Jimmy Vís 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

pastellgreen wrote:
VW_Jimbo wrote:
pastellgreen wrote:
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Ground those down and shot some primer.
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You have closed the complete hole? You now that the first 5mm or so normally have to be open as drain hole?


Thank you!

Yep! Know there is a drain hole at that point. Problem is, I cannot find a decent picture of that drain hole. Been looking every now and again. Soon it will have a drain hole.

Thanks for double checking my work! It takes a tribe to build a good car!


Unfortunately I don't have a picture of this area. It is a rectangular hole, just as if you have cut your plate 5, 6mm shorter and left the rest open. Very simple design, not a created hole by drilling or cutting afterwards.


Yep! I thought it was a slit looking hole along the leading edge, but I cannot find a picture. I tried several different searches but came up with no clear picture. I am off to try Google. It is time to get out to the Bug and play!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Jimmy Vís 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

Here is a photo from Mikas gallery:

"Note to leave the drainage hole there."
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Jimmy Vís 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

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Here is a photo from Mikas gallery:

"Note to leave the drainage hole there."
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/2013318.jpg

or

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9304244&highlight=#9304244


Thank you! I knew I had seen one but just could not find it! I see I posted in that thread - RIGHT THERE! Too funny! Sometimes my brain just does not remember shitola! Brain surgery sucks!!!

Thank you!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2022 11:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Jimmy Vís 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

3 more hours. Squeaked them in between sleeping on the couch and treating the wife to a beer at the brewery!

Rolled it out of its spot and rolled it over.
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Then rolled it over on its belly.
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And got back to the bottom plates on the A pillar.
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Figured I would try the little Dremel wheel.
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It does a great job, but it does not plunge deep enough, but it did some of the work.
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Then I pried out the left over piece.
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That did some of the job, but left an unfinished hole. So, I made a guide to clamp to the body and use it to straighten out the cuts with a 1/8Ē spiral cutting bit.
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Problem is the clamp failed and the bit went sideways. So, the hole is now, misshaped and needs to be refined. So, I tack welded the guide into place.
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Well, that is not what I was hoping for. Hole is better looking, but still misshapen.
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Stopped on that. I need to think on this one a bit. So, onto the ragtop.

Need to remove the old nuts from within their cages, and replace them with new nuts. SoÖ..

Drew some cut lines on the ragtops rail.
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Cut those lines.
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Folded the cut back.
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That exposes the nut cage side. Folded that over and pulled the nut out.
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Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle.
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Magic trick time. Poof!
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Then I pulled a new square nut and squeezed it in between the jaws of the vice grips.
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Inserted the nut into the cage and screwed in a screw to hold the nut in place.
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Perfect!
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Then folded the cage side back into place.
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Then folded the rail back into place.
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Then welded it all together and cleaned them all up.
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Followed it up with primer.
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Got several more to go! Maybe tomorrow!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:32 am    Post subject: Re: Jimmy Vís 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

WOW!!! A week just flew by! Hope everyone had a good turkey day, spent time with loved ones and had a bit of time to collect your thoughts!

Spent today in the garage for 3 more hours! Got the remaining 9 entombed nuts replaced! Here we go!

Pulled the Bug out and rolled it over to work on.
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Was going to stand to work on it. But why stand when you can sit! So, went over and rolled the Bug to the 90 degree spot. Then went over and grabbed the stool.
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Went through and marked cut lines on the remaining nine nuts.
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And then onto cutting. Burned through 4 Dremel disc!
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I then sheared the retaining screw head. Damn it! Thankfully, I only had 1 more cut to get done.
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Then I pried them all open.
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Next up was removing the old nuts. Had to use 2 screwdrivers like chop sticks!
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Lined up like an assembly line!
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Had to use a small, skinny punch to open up the nut cage. Couple taps on one side. Then slide the old nut over. Few more taps.
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And then pulled the nuts out, one at a time. Had to surface a couple of them to get them to clear the opening.
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I then dropped in new nuts.
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All of them have nuts! Onto welding!
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I then, one at a time started closing them up and welding the flap down. Followed by grinding it all flat and sanding it to be pretty. Primer followed.
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Got that all done and primed it. Rolled it back over and cleaned up. Onto grocery shopping for the week! Woot woot!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2022 1:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Jimmy Vís 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

Thought of you yesterday evening. We were planing some 1 x 4's for a lego table build with a Rockwell planer. Every time the planer rattled. I thought of revenge for the dickhead neighbors.

I'm sure you're aware of the Dremal cutoff wheel upgrade.
They now have a spring loaded arbor that grips the disc with no slip, cutting off the little screw in the arbor.

That is some tedious work changing those ragtop nuts. Looks great!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2022 8:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Jimmy Vís 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

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Thought of you yesterday evening. We were planing some 1 x 4's for a lego table build with a Rockwell planer. Every time the planer rattled. I thought of revenge for the dickhead neighbors.

I'm sure you're aware of the Dremal cutoff wheel upgrade.
They now have a spring loaded arbor that grips the disc with no slip, cutting off the little screw in the arbor.

That is some tedious work changing those ragtop nuts. Looks great!


Thank you!

Lego! Dude! I was a Legomaniac as a kid!! I still have my pile of them. My kids played with them when they were little. And I am hoping to have grandkids at some point, to watch, play with them! I love LEGOs!

Have you spotted my 12 inch Rockwell planer in the garage? Been with me for 20 years. I also have a 12 inch BellSaw planer in the garage! I grew up pushing boards into that one. I was 7 when my father bought that one! That was also the age I started pushing wood through it! That last sentence regarding the neighbors, made me smile! I know I should not, but I did!

I have seen those new disc and arbors. I still have a few sleeves of the screw type, so I am stuck with the screw type until I burn through the rest of my stock!

Thank for checking in! Check out my next post, super cool!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2022 9:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Jimmy Vís 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

Another 4 hours!

Man, that rotisserie is worth its weight in Gold! Loving it! Will never do another car without one! Guess I will have to beef this one up to tackle the 57 Bel Air, when I head up to the in-laws!

My starting point. Moved over and ready to go!
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Pulled Mikaís part and clamped it into place. Super awesome fit and finish!
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I was able to see the faint mark from when I removed the old rusty one. And I reapplied the black sharpie.
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I then clamped the seal channel 100%. Ready to weld it!
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Double check the alignment.
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All good! Rolled the Bug over on its belly.
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Crawled up underneath the trunk, placed my light and got ready to weld the channel into place.
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Welded a few plugs into place and removed the clamps. Then welded a few more.
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Got all the plugs welded.
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Had to get out and check out the good side!
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Then ground those down and primed all of them.
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With the channel in. I moved onto checking the rag top. Installed the rails and the tension bar. All nut cages work and accepted screws. All except 1. It has a tiny blob of steel on the treads. Guess I missed protecting that one.
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Guess I bought Bus rag top bows. I thought that they were large, but I thought I was crazy. Well, I guess I am not! They are for a Bus! Gotta find some Bug ones. Regardless, I rolled the rag top cover on the car, just to dream a little bit! Here, so you guys can dream with me!
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Until I get more time! Got to prep for Christmas! Hope you all are doing the same!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2022 10:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Jimmy Vís 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

Nice work on that seal channel. Did you prime the back side of it? And what size holes did you drill for the rosette welds? I'm looking closely at your pics, and it looks like there's a slight gap between the channel and the step in the cowl. Any idea how big that is? Mine is much tighter, but I've found it varies.
I just removed all of the seal channels as I knew it was hiding rust, and have been contemplating how I reattach the new parts. I may actually do it the OG way and use a spot welder. If I had the body off the pan and on a rotisserie I'd follow your lead.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:08 am    Post subject: Re: Jimmy Vís 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

esde wrote:
Nice work on that seal channel. Did you prime the back side of it? And what size holes did you drill for the rosette welds? I'm looking closely at your pics, and it looks like there's a slight gap between the channel and the step in the cowl. Any idea how big that is? Mine is much tighter, but I've found it varies.
I just removed all of the seal channels as I knew it was hiding rust, and have been contemplating how I reattach the new parts. I may actually do it the OG way and use a spot welder. If I had the body off the pan and on a rotisserie I'd follow your lead.


Thanks! Yep! Copper weld through primer. I like 3/16Ē holes for my rosette welds. Keeps thing tight and has a firm grip of the welded material. My original one was a few millimeters, at most, away from the cowling. I have seen them up to 3mm off of the cowling face.

I am contemplating removing the rest of them as well. If I had a spot welder I would use that. I only have a oxy/act torch and the MIG. No spot welder. Maybe in the near future!

Yep, welding it on the back side was a good call. I was a little afraid of melting the seal channel ďCĒ. So I opted for the back side approach! Worked out great!

Thanks for checking in on me!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 6:21 am    Post subject: Re: Jimmy Vís 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

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I am contemplating removing the rest of them as well.


My car was probably as bad off as yours, and this is what was hiding under the channel, so you're probably better off doing it. In for a penny, in for a pound as they say
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:36 am    Post subject: Re: Jimmy Vís 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

Got in 3 more hours yesterday. Maybe some more today, but high command sent orders to attach lights to the exterior of the house eaves. SoÖ.I have my orders.

YesterdayÖÖ

Rolled the Bug out and positioned it for attacking the heater mufflers. Also, the tubing.
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Just a reminder, because I needed one and you all may as well. I present the old heater mufflers! I never throw stuff away until after the good stuff is in. Letís hope I get to throw these away!
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I picked up that 10 foot length of steel tubing last week. I just need 2 feet of it. So, letís cut it and prep it for welding in.
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Switched to the 12Ē cut off saw. Way better cuts. Sometimes I forget I have tools for some of the stuff I do. Too many trades!
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Okay, yes. They are to be 2 different lengths. I became aware of that, AFTER, I found the longer one. I matched the shorter one. Hoping that does not bite me it the ass later on. I will get the engine in with the boxes on them to check before paint.

I installed the new tubes and the new case halves, to check fit and alignment. They are perfect! So, back out they will come to be cleaned for welding.
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I also found an old lower luggage shelf and pulled it out to measure the projection of the tubes. Right around 1 5/8Ē from the attachment to the outer most projected area of the tube.
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Then, back into the body. Cleaned up and ready for welding. Clamped and aligned into position. Then a few tacks to just hold the shell onto the tube.
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Then, rolled it over, so I do not have to dodge weld blobs! Another bonus!
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Double check the alignment of the tubes.
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Weld the assemblies to the lower luggage shelf!
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For reference. The old 59 rear clip lower shelf. I will use this for those little tube retaining clips, too!
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Drilled out those spots. Cleaned them up and placed them on the new tubes, then welded them.
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Then grinding and primer.
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Looks good from this point.
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Rolled the shell back into its spot, cleaned up and walked to the brewery for dinner! Awesome Saturday!oh, wifey sold another house!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 11:45 am    Post subject: Re: Jimmy Vís 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

Productive few hours!
FYI the longer/ shorter tubes are because of the offset of the 1-2 and 3-4 cylinder heads.
Cleaning up when I'm done for the night always makes it easier to get started the next time. I hate walking into a shop that was shut down in a hurry.

Something to check on, I seem to recall those tubes having a recessed area, that is so they clear the torsion housing. I'll dig through my pics to see if I have something showing it. Or not, could be wrong.
*Edit* one side has the dent
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