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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 2:51 pm    Post subject: Testing Generator in car: 71 Super Beetle Reply with quote

I couldn't find an answer (at least one that I could understand) in a search so I tested my generator per a youtube video like this:

- Disconnect both leads: D+ and DF wires (put some tape on D+wire)
- Connect a Jumper wire from DF to ground
- Put MultiMeter red on the D+ and black to a ground. I have meter at 200 range.

- Start car. Suppose to get about 20 volts at idle and at least 35 v revved up.
I get nothing on the meter. Only ran about a minute. Detected a little smoke coming from generator.

When I got the car, the generator was rotated 90 degrees to the left, so was not set for correct cooling. Seller said it had recently run down battery but thought it was ok after a charge up. I was too entranced by the shiny Beetle for critical thinking. Though I've had it for over a month, have not driven at night with lights etc, which would pull down the battery.

I'm pulling the engine soon to get a good look at all things. Maybe a good time to put in a new generator?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Testing Generator in car: 71 Super Beetle Reply with quote

Was the generator light in the speedo on when you drove it? Does it light up when you first turn the key on? I'm thinking the gen. won't charge if the light is burned out.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Testing Generator in car: 71 Super Beetle Reply with quote

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Was the generator light in the speedo on when you drove it? Does it light up when you first turn the key on? I'm thinking the gen. won't charge if the light is burned out.


Yes the generator light turns on when key is turned on and goes out when car cranks as it should.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Testing Generator in car: 71 Super Beetle Reply with quote

Was the meter on DC, or AC?
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Only ran about a minute. Detected a little smoke coming from generator.

Sounds like it was working, not so hopeful it still is, it only takes a few seconds of revving to melt the solder out of the commutator. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Testing Generator in car: 71 Super Beetle Reply with quote

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Was the meter on DC, or AC?
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Only ran about a minute. Detected a little smoke coming from generator.

Sounds like it was working, not so hopeful it still is, it only takes a few seconds of revving to melt the solder out of the commutator. Crying or Very sad


Sad Did my hookups make sense?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Testing Generator in car: 71 Super Beetle Reply with quote

See http://www.speedyjim.net/htm/gen.htm


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Was the generator light in the speedo on when you drove it? Does it light up when you first turn the key on? I'm thinking the gen. won't charge if the light is burned out.

To charge, the light must light up when you first turn the key to "run" position for an ALTERNATOR, but not for a generator !!!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Testing Generator in car: 71 Super Beetle Reply with quote

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busdaddy wrote:
Was the meter on DC, or AC?
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Only ran about a minute. Detected a little smoke coming from generator.

Sounds like it was working, not so hopeful it still is, it only takes a few seconds of revving to melt the solder out of the commutator. Crying or Very sad


Sad Did my hookups make sense?

Yeah, it should have produced big voltages, and from the smoke it likely was, that grounded Df test is for short bursts and minimum revving.

You never know, it may have survived, cross your fingers.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Testing Generator in car: 71 Super Beetle Reply with quote

I'll check it again when I have the engine out of the car. Will bug you guys when I do it to make sure I'm not burning down the house.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 6:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Testing Generator in car: 71 Super Beetle Reply with quote

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Suppose to get about 20 volts at idle and at least 35 v revved up.

Note: Actual spec. for generator output during "isolated" test (i.e. without regulator, DF grounded) should be about 12 volts at 790 rpm engine idle (= 1,500 rpm generator speed), and 36 volts at double that speed -- ref. Bentley, et al.:

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Only ran about a minute.

Bentley reference also recommends limiting that sort of test to about 15 seconds max.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 4:38 am    Post subject: Re: Testing Generator in car: 71 Super Beetle Reply with quote

Thanks, another lesson learned. Santa is bringing me the Bentley book. It's a commitment to owning an old car isn't it? Or have a local mechanic who will outlive you.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:54 am    Post subject: Re: Testing Generator in car: 71 Super Beetle Reply with quote

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Thanks, another lesson learned. Santa is bringing me the Bentley book. It's a commitment to owning an old car isn't it? Or have a local mechanic who will outlive you.

Bentley manual isn't 100% perfect (a few glaring / serious errors in it, here and there), but it's still one of the best available resources for repairing and maintaining these old cars, IMO. Enjoy! Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 6:59 am    Post subject: Re: Testing Generator in car: 71 Super Beetle Reply with quote

Follow the link from Cusser above to Speedy Jim’s page and start by checking the condition of your brushes and polarizing your generator. Then re-run your test where you momentarily ground the DF terminal. Make sure your meter is set to read VDC (DC voltage). If you still get no output from your generator it is time for a replacement.
If you are planning to remove the generator, take it to your FLAPS and have them test it on their bench tester as a final confirmation it is working, or not.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 8:19 am    Post subject: Re: Testing Generator in car: 71 Super Beetle Reply with quote

ashman40 wrote:
Follow the link from Cusser above to Speedy Jim’s page and start by checking the condition of your brushes and polarizing your generator. Then re-run your test where you momentarily ground the DF terminal. Make sure your meter is set to read VDC (DC voltage). If you still get no output from your generator it is time for a replacement.
If you are planning to remove the generator, take it to your FLAPS and have them test it on their bench tester as a final confirmation it is working, or not.


Will do, thanks.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 8:30 am    Post subject: Re: Testing Generator in car: 71 Super Beetle Reply with quote

Check and clean the tran.s ground strap to body as it is almost always overlooked when checking electrical problems.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:22 am    Post subject: Re: Testing Generator in car: 71 Super Beetle Reply with quote

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Check and clean the tran.s ground strap to body as it is almost always overlooked when checking electrical problems.


will do, the strap from battery neg to the body under back seat.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:23 am    Post subject: Re: Testing Generator in car: 71 Super Beetle Reply with quote

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Check and clean the tran.s ground strap to body as it is almost always overlooked when checking electrical problems.


will do, the strap from battery neg to the body under back seat.



That one AND the one on the trans. nose cone to body.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Testing Generator in car: 71 Super Beetle Reply with quote

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Starbucket wrote:
Check and clean the tran.s ground strap to body as it is almost always overlooked when checking electrical problems.


will do, the strap from battery neg to the body under back seat.



That one AND the one on the trans. nose cone to body.


Yes, transmission ground strap, will check.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 8:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Testing Generator in car: 71 Super Beetle Reply with quote

mg50 wrote:
Starbucket wrote:
mg50 wrote:
Starbucket wrote:
Check and clean the tran.s ground strap to body as it is almost always overlooked when checking electrical problems.


will do, the strap from battery neg to the body under back seat.



That one AND the one on the trans. nose cone to body.


Yes, transmission ground strap, will check



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think about it the only they battery power from the battery can receive power from the motor/trans assy. (because they are rubber mounted) is through the trans. ground strap, starter, ign., gen., etc.
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