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mg50 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 2:51 pm Post subject: Testing Generator in car: 71 Super Beetle |
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I couldn't find an answer (at least one that I could understand) in a search so I tested my generator per a youtube video like this:
- Disconnect both leads: D+ and DF wires (put some tape on D+wire)
- Connect a Jumper wire from DF to ground
- Put MultiMeter red on the D+ and black to a ground. I have meter at 200 range.
- Start car. Suppose to get about 20 volts at idle and at least 35 v revved up.
I get nothing on the meter. Only ran about a minute. Detected a little smoke coming from generator.
When I got the car, the generator was rotated 90 degrees to the left, so was not set for correct cooling. Seller said it had recently run down battery but thought it was ok after a charge up. I was too entranced by the shiny Beetle for critical thinking. Though I've had it for over a month, have not driven at night with lights etc, which would pull down the battery.
I'm pulling the engine soon to get a good look at all things. Maybe a good time to put in a new generator? |
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Starbucket Samba Member
Joined: April 30, 2007 Posts: 4026 Location: WA
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:27 pm Post subject: Re: Testing Generator in car: 71 Super Beetle |
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Was the generator light in the speedo on when you drove it? Does it light up when you first turn the key on? I'm thinking the gen. won't charge if the light is burned out. |
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mg50 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:52 pm Post subject: Re: Testing Generator in car: 71 Super Beetle |
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Starbucket wrote: |
Was the generator light in the speedo on when you drove it? Does it light up when you first turn the key on? I'm thinking the gen. won't charge if the light is burned out. |
Yes the generator light turns on when key is turned on and goes out when car cranks as it should. |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51155 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: Testing Generator in car: 71 Super Beetle |
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Was the meter on DC, or AC?
mg50 wrote: |
Only ran about a minute. Detected a little smoke coming from generator. |
Sounds like it was working, not so hopeful it still is, it only takes a few seconds of revving to melt the solder out of the commutator. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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mg50 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: Testing Generator in car: 71 Super Beetle |
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busdaddy wrote: |
Was the meter on DC, or AC?
mg50 wrote: |
Only ran about a minute. Detected a little smoke coming from generator. |
Sounds like it was working, not so hopeful it still is, it only takes a few seconds of revving to melt the solder out of the commutator. |
Did my hookups make sense? |
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Cusser Samba Member
Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 31380 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:49 pm Post subject: Re: Testing Generator in car: 71 Super Beetle |
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See http://www.speedyjim.net/htm/gen.htm
Starbucket wrote: |
Was the generator light in the speedo on when you drove it? Does it light up when you first turn the key on? I'm thinking the gen. won't charge if the light is burned out. |
To charge, the light must light up when you first turn the key to "run" position for an ALTERNATOR, but not for a generator !!! _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51155 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:50 pm Post subject: Re: Testing Generator in car: 71 Super Beetle |
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mg50 wrote: |
busdaddy wrote: |
Was the meter on DC, or AC?
mg50 wrote: |
Only ran about a minute. Detected a little smoke coming from generator. |
Sounds like it was working, not so hopeful it still is, it only takes a few seconds of revving to melt the solder out of the commutator. |
Did my hookups make sense? |
Yeah, it should have produced big voltages, and from the smoke it likely was, that grounded Df test is for short bursts and minimum revving.
You never know, it may have survived, cross your fingers. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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mg50 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: Testing Generator in car: 71 Super Beetle |
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I'll check it again when I have the engine out of the car. Will bug you guys when I do it to make sure I'm not burning down the house. |
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baldessariclan Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 6:45 pm Post subject: Re: Testing Generator in car: 71 Super Beetle |
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mg50 wrote: |
Suppose to get about 20 volts at idle and at least 35 v revved up. |
Note: Actual spec. for generator output during "isolated" test (i.e. without regulator, DF grounded) should be about 12 volts at 790 rpm engine idle (= 1,500 rpm generator speed), and 36 volts at double that speed -- ref. Bentley, et al.:
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Only ran about a minute. |
Bentley reference also recommends limiting that sort of test to about 15 seconds max. _________________ 1971 Standard Beetle — fairly stock / driver
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mg50 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 4:38 am Post subject: Re: Testing Generator in car: 71 Super Beetle |
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Thanks, another lesson learned. Santa is bringing me the Bentley book. It's a commitment to owning an old car isn't it? Or have a local mechanic who will outlive you. |
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baldessariclan Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:54 am Post subject: Re: Testing Generator in car: 71 Super Beetle |
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mg50 wrote: |
Thanks, another lesson learned. Santa is bringing me the Bentley book. It's a commitment to owning an old car isn't it? Or have a local mechanic who will outlive you. |
Bentley manual isn't 100% perfect (a few glaring / serious errors in it, here and there), but it's still one of the best available resources for repairing and maintaining these old cars, IMO. Enjoy! _________________ 1971 Standard Beetle — fairly stock / driver
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ashman40 Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2007 Posts: 15987 Location: North Florida, USA
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 6:59 am Post subject: Re: Testing Generator in car: 71 Super Beetle |
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Follow the link from Cusser above to Speedy Jim’s page and start by checking the condition of your brushes and polarizing your generator. Then re-run your test where you momentarily ground the DF terminal. Make sure your meter is set to read VDC (DC voltage). If you still get no output from your generator it is time for a replacement.
If you are planning to remove the generator, take it to your FLAPS and have them test it on their bench tester as a final confirmation it is working, or not. _________________ AshMan40
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'67 Beetle #1 {project car that never made it to the road }
'75 Beetle 1200LS (RHD Japan model) {junked due to frame rot}
'67 Beetle #2 {2019 project car - Wish me luck!} |
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mg50 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 8:19 am Post subject: Re: Testing Generator in car: 71 Super Beetle |
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ashman40 wrote: |
Follow the link from Cusser above to Speedy Jim’s page and start by checking the condition of your brushes and polarizing your generator. Then re-run your test where you momentarily ground the DF terminal. Make sure your meter is set to read VDC (DC voltage). If you still get no output from your generator it is time for a replacement.
If you are planning to remove the generator, take it to your FLAPS and have them test it on their bench tester as a final confirmation it is working, or not. |
Will do, thanks. |
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Starbucket Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 8:30 am Post subject: Re: Testing Generator in car: 71 Super Beetle |
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Check and clean the tran.s ground strap to body as it is almost always overlooked when checking electrical problems. |
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mg50 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:22 am Post subject: Re: Testing Generator in car: 71 Super Beetle |
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Starbucket wrote: |
Check and clean the tran.s ground strap to body as it is almost always overlooked when checking electrical problems. |
will do, the strap from battery neg to the body under back seat. |
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Starbucket Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:23 am Post subject: Re: Testing Generator in car: 71 Super Beetle |
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mg50 wrote: |
Starbucket wrote: |
Check and clean the tran.s ground strap to body as it is almost always overlooked when checking electrical problems. |
will do, the strap from battery neg to the body under back seat.
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That one AND the one on the trans. nose cone to body. |
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mg50 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: Testing Generator in car: 71 Super Beetle |
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Starbucket wrote: |
mg50 wrote: |
Starbucket wrote: |
Check and clean the tran.s ground strap to body as it is almost always overlooked when checking electrical problems. |
will do, the strap from battery neg to the body under back seat.
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That one AND the one on the trans. nose cone to body. |
Yes, transmission ground strap, will check. |
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Starbucket Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 8:44 pm Post subject: Re: Testing Generator in car: 71 Super Beetle |
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mg50 wrote: |
Starbucket wrote: |
mg50 wrote: |
Starbucket wrote: |
Check and clean the tran.s ground strap to body as it is almost always overlooked when checking electrical problems. |
will do, the strap from battery neg to the body under back seat.
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That one AND the one on the trans. nose cone to body. |
Yes, transmission ground strap, will check
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think about it the only they battery power from the battery can receive power from the motor/trans assy. (because they are rubber mounted) is through the trans. ground strap, starter, ign., gen., etc. |
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