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kingkarmann
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EV Tractor.
Timely given the current price of diesel.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/01/business/tesla-semi-pepsi/index.html
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skills@eurocarsplus
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:47 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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If only I had watched videos about Tesla engineering from Dunning Kruger University graduates ….
I’ve driven it 200. Miles and am showing 60 miles left. I’ll drive it 30 miles to the airport today to finish, without recharging all week
Interesting add on. I would not do that in a gas car as I don’t go below 1/4 tank in winter for protection of the fuel pumps. |
pix or it didn't happen.
you're the type of guy looking to prove everyone wrong, so pony up the photos
I'll wait for the "I didn't have time" excuses. Your smugness wouldn't let you drive one without documentation, so lets see it
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steve244
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:49 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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| skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
| Abscate wrote: |
If only I had watched videos about Tesla engineering from Dunning Kruger University graduates ….
I’ve driven it 200. Miles and am showing 60 miles left. I’ll drive it 30 miles to the airport today to finish, without recharging all week
Interesting add on. I would not do that in a gas car as I don’t go below 1/4 tank in winter for protection of the fuel pumps. |
pix or it didn't happen.
you're the type of guy looking to prove everyone wrong, so pony up the photos
I'll wait for the "I didn't have time" excuses. Your smugness wouldn't let you drive one without documentation, so lets see it |
Bad form, Skilz. Bad form.
When someone posts personal experience instead of hearsay take it at face value and move on.
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kingkarmann
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I’m guessing the reserve was $50k
Not unreasonable IMO.
It’s engineering seems well thought out but the second I saw it was being sold by Gateway I was instantly turned off.
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TDCTDI
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2022 11:21 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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| skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
speaking of Rich...
as always, a great watch. his rant at 22:00 is spot on. actually, the whole video is great
and at 26 mins onwards he's bitching about the price to charge 
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Yeah, I’ve passed several Teslas limping along at 45-50 on 95 between Fredericksburg & DC. Quite amusing considering I was in a 50+ YO slow ass VW.
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Abscate
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2022 11:38 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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| skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
| Abscate wrote: |
If only I had watched videos about Tesla engineering from Dunning Kruger University graduates ….
I’ve driven it 200. Miles and am showing 60 miles left. I’ll drive it 30 miles to the airport today to finish, without recharging all week
Interesting add on. I would not do that in a gas car as I don’t go below 1/4 tank in winter for protection of the fuel pumps. |
pix or it didn't happen.
you're the type of guy looking to prove everyone wrong, so pony up the photos
I'll wait for the "I didn't have time" excuses. Your smugness wouldn't let you drive one without documentation, so lets see it |
You’ve got me 100% wrong. I love to be proven wrong because it means I learned something. Proof has to be in logical form, though not MUS.
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Floating VW
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| Abscate wrote: |
| skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
| Abscate wrote: |
If only I had watched videos about Tesla engineering from Dunning Kruger University graduates ….
I’ve driven it 200. Miles and am showing 60 miles left. I’ll drive it 30 miles to the airport today to finish, without recharging all week
Interesting add on. I would not do that in a gas car as I don’t go below 1/4 tank in winter for protection of the fuel pumps. |
pix or it didn't happen.
you're the type of guy looking to prove everyone wrong, so pony up the photos
I'll wait for the "I didn't have time" excuses. Your smugness wouldn't let you drive one without documentation, so lets see it |
You’ve got me 100% wrong. I love to be proven wrong because it means I learned something. Proof has to be in logical form, though not MUS. |
So, 230 miles on a single charge? Not bad.
I'd like some more data, though (if you don't mind), just to get a complete picture of what the car is capable of.
Average ambient temps?
Which model Tesla?
Drove it like you stole it, or like you had an egg under your foot?
Starting percentage of battery charge vs ending percentage?
Projected range vs actual range?
Highway miles vs city miles?
Amenities (cabin heat, heated seats, GPS, Bluetooth, autopilot, etc.) on or off?
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Floating VW
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| skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
speaking of Rich...
Link
as always, a great watch. his rant at 22:00 is spot on. actually, the whole video is great
and at 26 mins onwards he's bitching about the price to charge
YeA ElEcTrIc |
Even before I watched this video, I pretty much already knew what he was going to say (politicians dictating policy are living in a bubble, EV's are expensive and impractical, the infrastructure has a long way to go, car dealerships are actively lying to you, Best Western sucks, etc.), with one HUGE exception. At 26:50, he shows how much it was costing him to recharge his batteries. I was SHOCKED by this. I had to re-watch that part three times! $77.46 to gain a little over 200 miles of range? Are you kidding me? Even at $4.00/gal, I could go the same distance in my Bug for about 1/4 the price! He spent $67.87 to go from 13.1 kWh to 106.5 kWh. That's nearly 73 cents per kWh!
I just love the part where he recommends charging your EV either at home, or at a friend's house as much as possible. Man, if ever one of my friends shows up at my house and asks if he can recharge his EV, I'm gonna tell him to go plug it into his own arse!
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finster
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having watched a few (too many) wham baam teslacam videos it occured to me that quite a few are written off after accidents. I wonder what the percentage of teslas written off is, and what happens to the remains - are they stripped for batteries etc and recycled?
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Get an insurance quote for a comparable price ICe car. The loss will be reflected in the premium to first order
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| You're so easy... |
Guilty as charged!
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| $0.12/kWh is what I pay AT HOME to Marietta Power and Water whether it's for drying my clothes or charging the car. . . |
Ok, so you charge at home. You're saying you pay ONLY 12 cents per kWh? No Customer Charges? No Delivery Fees? No Maintenance Fees? Not even Sales Tax? If that's true, I'm thinkin' I may need to move to your town! I'm not too sure about the squealing, though. . .
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Lot to break down here. No idea what my employer pays. I suspect commercial rates are less than domestic. But my employer has a couple hundred solar panels. So technically I'm charging for free (if we discount the capital cost of solar panels).
On the losses at the Charging station. It's just a switch, not a transformer. The car has its own rectifier to charge the batteries. So what it says at the charging station is what I consume. We've already discussed line losses due to resistance. |
If you say so.
Where I live commercial rates are higher than residential. In some cases, A LOT higher. But the solar panels are a nice touch (that's one HELL of a discount if you're not counting the cost of those things!).
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| On the costs in CT , CA or HI, I don't expect anyone to pay more for using electric vehicles than gasoline. Do you? |
YES!
Hawaii Electric currently charges $0.44/kWh, plus $11.50 Customer Charge, plus 4% Sales Tax. 12 kWh per day over 30 days would cost me $176.70. Gasoline costs $5.097/gal in Hawaii. If I consumed one gallon per day for 30 days, that would cost me $152.91. Total for both: $329.61
12 kWh per day for 30 days, plus another 12 kWh per day for my EV would cost me $341.43.
I would save $11.82 per month if I drove my Beetle instead of your Leaf. Don't worry, I may be conceited, but I'm rarely ever smug.
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| Yeah baby, you've just hit on the true cost of driving fast! Friction my child. Friction. This affects everyone. Maybe EVs a bit less as they are designed to be slippery. Vanagons not so much. Well that and regenerative braking. You keep forgetting that bit. |
Yes, aerodynamic drag would explain some of that, and regenerative braking too (I haven't forgotten, I know it's important to you). EV's also have a ton (quite literally!) of weight to move around, so I would think the regenerative braking would only help recuperate some of the extra energy lost in constantly accelerating all that mass. If I really thrash on my Beetle, I can lose 15%, maybe even 20% of my maximum "range". But the loss of range on the highway for an EV, at least in the EV's I looked at, was like 40% - 50% compared to city range, especially in cold weather. I imagine that will have a considerable impact on the practicality of these vehicles. |
My point was, I don't expect anyone to buy an electric car when gasoline is cheaper. Except UgoCarSkilz. He will be subjected to the awesomeness of electric propulsion and love it so much he never goes back.
Marietta power and water's payment structure was detailed in the link I posted. The rate I gave is correct: $0.12/kWh. Southern Co is trying to raise rates though so I don't know how long that will last. The utilities commission is scratching their heads trying to figure out how benefiting stockholders benefits electric customers. But Gov Kemp's gas tax vacation is bound to end soon and gas will go back up to the national average. $3.20/gal is without GA state tax.
Research Teslas... they are engineered to keep their range even in winter. They also have better heaters than the Leaf's.
The Leaf does pretty good (check summer/winter charts to compare). But with a winter range of around 70 miles and a summer range of around 80 (difference is mainly if I heat the cabin) I'll not be taking any long trips in it. It is nice to walk out to a toasty cabin on cold GA mornings though. Just have to remember to plug it in the night before. |
Ftom a buy standpoint it was smart to buy that used, but unless your commute is small they are dangerous used.
It’s much harder to turn over a new Leaf.
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Abscate, Why is a Nissan Leaf “Dangerous used?”
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steve244
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Abscate
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| Abscate, Why is a Nissan Leaf “Dangerous used?” |
It’s much harder to turn over a new Leaf.
I’ve hooked my Monday morning Fish….
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Xevin
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 8:58 am Post subject: Re: Electric vehicles are bad |
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| Abscate, Why is a Nissan Leaf “Dangerous used?” |
It’s much harder to turn over a new Leaf.
I’ve hooked my Monday morning Fish…. |
I understand the humor in your idiom. I’m not sure why a used Leaf is dangerous. Can you explain the dangers you speak of. Any examples or links?
I ask because there is an outfit in Portland that specializes in selling used Leaf cars and a friend is considering buying one. They put a new battery in it to bring the range back up to factory specifications. They also have two other battery options to increase the range. I wonder how long their new batteries hold up?
See the link below.
https://evridesllc.com/
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