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demo four Samba Member
Joined: January 12, 2011 Posts: 46 Location: the garage
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2023 11:08 am Post subject: 1967 Westy Turret Top (pop top) restoration |
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Hi Folks,
I am currently cleaning up my 67 Westy turret top,
It looked really bad at first, so I started with a good soap and water clean with a scouring sponge
This showed up the terrible emulsion paint job
So next up I spent some time with some 120 grit wet and dry paper to rub down the paint.
It's come up well, but what the photos don't show is that it seams to have lost most of the gel coat from the top and has lots of grazing, scratches and scuffs, not very deep but enough to leave the texture quite rough
There are some grazing on the side, and whilst some the gel coat has sanded down and looks ok, there are still lots of lines visible.
Hope they show up in the pics
So the question, is what next?
More sanding, primer and paint?
I have had a search and read up what people suggest, but looking for insights from others.
I have considered leaving as is, as i am not going super shiny resto and will be drving my Bus, not trailering it around |
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earlywesty Samba Member
Joined: May 03, 2004 Posts: 2358 Location: In the woods, Ontario
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:16 am Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Turret Top (pop top) restoration |
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Renew the gel coat? You can likely find it at a canoe or kayak place or online. I have sone many boats over the years. Its a pretty simple process. |
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Braukuche Samba Member
Joined: September 03, 2004 Posts: 11005
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 8:29 am Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Turret Top (pop top) restoration |
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earlywesty wrote: |
Renew the gel coat? You can likely find it at a canoe or kayak place or online. I have sone many boats over the years. Its a pretty simple process. |
Second that. That top will deteriorate fast without its gel coat. _________________ Go Reds! Smash state!
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51153 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:33 am Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Turret Top (pop top) restoration |
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Yeah, there really isn't anything you can put on top of those cracks that won't start cracking again soon.
Remove all the hardware, sand off the remains of the old gel and spray or roll on multiple coats of fresh gel, then wet sand smooth and buff. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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Kb65single Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2019 Posts: 271 Location: Obxnc
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:44 am Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Turret Top (pop top) restoration |
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Power washing wouldn’t be a bad idea also. That will help clean the cracks before putting anything on top. I do that on my pool furniture (poly wood) every spring to get the mold algae and dirt off
Ken |
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House Minutia Militia
Joined: June 13, 2001 Posts: 1770
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:16 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Turret Top (pop top) restoration |
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Any chance of taking some pics of the mounting hardware while you have it laying there?
There are polyester fillers that you can use that the body shop guys use on fiberglass but from everything I have seen they all shrink back over time and you can see the repairs in the right light. It depends on how nice of a resto you are going for, but I agree that the “right” way is new gel coat… |
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BulliBill Samba Member
Joined: July 09, 2004 Posts: 4573 Location: St Charles, MO
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 2:32 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Turret Top (pop top) restoration |
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There is/was a guy in Arizona who made/molded brand new pop-tops, and another guy (a great friend of mine) in the Phoenix area who has re-fabricated the aluminum pop-top scissors mechanisms from scratch and they turned out very nice...
I'm just sayin".
Bill _________________ I'm looking for these license plate frames for my fleet:
Coeur D'Alene - Lake Shore Volkswagen
Mission VW - San Fernando
Thornton VW - Stockton
Thanks for any help! |
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demo four Samba Member
Joined: January 12, 2011 Posts: 46 Location: the garage
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 3:11 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Turret Top (pop top) restoration |
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Well I spent another day sanding the top down with 320 grit wet and dry and then over the top with 1200 wet and dry, and whilst it looks good, I think there is too much gel coat missing on top.
So I will look into getting some gelcoat sorted
Braukuche wrote: |
earlywesty wrote: |
Renew the gel coat? You can likely find it at a canoe or kayak place or online. I have sone many boats over the years. Its a pretty simple process. |
Second that. That top will deteriorate fast without its gel coat. |
and follow your advice
House wrote: |
Any chance of taking some pics of the mounting hardware while you have it laying there?
There are polyester fillers that you can use that the body shop guys use on fiberglass but from everything I have seen they all shrink back over time and you can see the repairs in the right light. It depends on how nice of a resto you are going for, but I agree that the “right” way is new gel coat… |
Here are fixings pictures.
They came off with a bit of effort, the nuts seams to be 8mm but they were so rusty I used a 7mm and 6mm plus had to cut some off, but with a bit of penetrating fluid there were not too hard to remove.
The top washers had a sticky putty under them, like the stuff you ft the jalousie windows with.
Let me know if you want to see the scissor lifts, as I removed them too, to clean up and sort before I put it all back together.
Next step is to find a supplier for the gelcoat in the right colour.
I hope I can find a stockist in the UK. |
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House Minutia Militia
Joined: June 13, 2001 Posts: 1770
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 9:19 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Turret Top (pop top) restoration |
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demo four wrote: |
Let me know if you want to see the scissor lifts, as I removed them too, to clean up and sort before I put it all back together. |
Cool, thanks. Interested in seeing the scissor to top and scissor to body hardware if you still have it handy… |
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Clara Samba Member
Joined: June 14, 2003 Posts: 12401
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2023 8:18 am Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Turret Top (pop top) restoration |
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House wrote: |
demo four wrote: |
Let me know if you want to see the scissor lifts, as I removed them too, to clean up and sort before I put it all back together. |
Cool, thanks. Interested in seeing the scissor to top and scissor to body hardware if you still have it handy… |
I took a few detail pics of so42 poptop here:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_search.php...t_dir=DESC _________________ The Obsolete Air-Cooled Documentation Project http://oacdp.org/ |
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House Minutia Militia
Joined: June 13, 2001 Posts: 1770
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2023 10:11 am Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Turret Top (pop top) restoration |
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Saw those, they were helpful, thanks Clara.
Sorry for the thread hijacking demo four. |
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demo four Samba Member
Joined: January 12, 2011 Posts: 46 Location: the garage
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2023 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Turret Top (pop top) restoration |
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House wrote: |
demo four wrote: |
Let me know if you want to see the scissor lifts, as I removed them too, to clean up and sort before I put it all back together. |
Cool, thanks. Interested in seeing the scissor to top and scissor to body hardware if you still have it handy… |
That's all good, when I clean them up the weekend I will take some pics for you.
I am missing the side from the top, so I will be interested to find out what I am missing.
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demo four Samba Member
Joined: January 12, 2011 Posts: 46 Location: the garage
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2023 2:36 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Turret Top (pop top) restoration |
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House wrote: |
Saw those, they were helpful, thanks Clara.
Sorry for the thread hijacking demo four. |
That's all cool, I have started this thread for a bit of a resto how to, so other people can benefit from the pictures and information people add in.
I have done searches and Clara has lots of cool pictures, so hopefully this will add into the resources on here too and add the missing parts when other people do searches. |
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nlorntson Crazy VW Lady
Joined: March 13, 2004 Posts: 3783 Location: Twin Cities, MN
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2023 3:21 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Turret Top (pop top) restoration |
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House wrote: |
Any chance of taking some pics of the mounting hardware while you have it laying there? |
When you get around to the canvas portion, this might help. Make note of how the canvas/wood/top are connected.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=670226 |
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House Minutia Militia
Joined: June 13, 2001 Posts: 1770
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2023 9:28 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Turret Top (pop top) restoration |
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Nice thread, thanks. |
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demo four Samba Member
Joined: January 12, 2011 Posts: 46 Location: the garage
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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2023 12:58 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Turret Top (pop top) restoration |
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nlorntson wrote: |
House wrote: |
Any chance of taking some pics of the mounting hardware while you have it laying there? |
When you get around to the canvas portion, this might help. Make note of how the canvas/wood/top are connected.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=670226 |
That is a very helpful thread, I have also read it a few times when I have been researching what to do.
I got my canvas from Helmut, but I plan to reuse the original strip as its in good shape. I am missing all the bottom fixings so I am going to have to get replacements. |
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demo four Samba Member
Joined: January 12, 2011 Posts: 46 Location: the garage
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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2023 3:29 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Turret Top (pop top) restoration |
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After a bit of a break, I am back to restoring my pop top.
Stripped and cleaned the front hinge mechanism. It was dirty and had loads of over spray, so a bit of degreaser, wire brush, 120 grit and some polishing paste its looking a whole load better.
Part way through, took about 20 mins a part.
Super shiny
My only question is should the one bar be bent? I did not think so, but thought I best ask before I straighten it out.
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demo four Samba Member
Joined: January 12, 2011 Posts: 46 Location: the garage
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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 10:58 am Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Turret Top (pop top) restoration |
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Today I stripped down and cleaned the right hand hinge.
Came up pretty well, nice and shiny and the muck and overspray came off in about 2 hours.
When doing the side with the spring, remember to hold it tight as you undo the first nut!
half way there
Super shiny
When reassembling the spring, I found it better to do the sliding side first. tightening it up super tight and this enabled it to be easier to pull the spring and fit the second side with only minimum effort to stretch it over the other bolt and attach the nut.
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nlorntson Crazy VW Lady
Joined: March 13, 2004 Posts: 3783 Location: Twin Cities, MN
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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 11:17 am Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Turret Top (pop top) restoration |
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I've always been curious about the adjustment capability of the spring on our 1966 SO44 pop top.
I've only seen a couple of others like it in other peoples pictures.
Does yours have any such thing?
Your're doing a great job! |
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demo four Samba Member
Joined: January 12, 2011 Posts: 46 Location: the garage
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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 11:56 am Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Turret Top (pop top) restoration |
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nlorntson wrote: |
I've always been curious about the adjustment capability of the spring on our 1966 SO44 pop top.
I've only seen a couple of others like it in other peoples pictures.
Does yours have any such thing?
Your're doing a great job! |
Thanks, I am quite enjoying it, I just wish I had more time!
Mine is just a massive spring! It's fully loaded too, as it was a good job I was holding it when I undid the nut.
I have seen your picture, but mine has no adjustment at all. For now I have not tightened everything up fully, as I was going to see how it feels, once it is all fitted in the bus. I think that would be useful to have an adjuster, as the mechanism packs a punch!
The spring looks a little smaller than mine too, and the ends don't have any thing that indicate that a adjuster has been fitted. |
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