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hotratz
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Ya got 'er fixed and learned a bit more about the sytem and that's all that matters.
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DanGreen
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it was the two large posts.  
I know, I would have found out sooner........ hey, this way I got to check out my entire ignition system and clean all the connections. Car starts first time every time! |
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hotratz
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Location: North Bend, Wa.
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| Did you try shorting a screw driver from the battery terminal on the starter to the soleniod terminal. If this makes your starter spin then you're probably not getting voltage back to it from your key switch. If it doesn't click then you might just have a bad soleniod. If the soleniod clicks but the starter doesn't spin then you either have bad contacts in the soleniod or open windings or bad brushes in the starter. |
I got a screw driver and made contact with both terminals, it made a big spark and the solenoid imediatly clicked and spun really fast . Seems to be working fine. its gotta be a wire from the key to the starter. I've got one of those "light testers" but no voltometer or any other tools that could be useful. |
Wow, I'm comfused now, What exactly did you short across when you originally got the starter to spin? Was it the two larger posts or was it the large post with the battery cable on it across to the spade connector for the solenoid?
If it was the two large posts this would make your starter spin but not engage the engine. This method bypasses the soleniod altogether.
If you jumped from the large post to the spade connector on the solenoid this would pull the soleniod, spin the starter and engage the engine. Sounds like you just had a bad soleniod.
As far as the water goes, I've submarined many many starters under water and never had a solenoid or starter go bad because of it.
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TimGud
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| Can you get it running with a push start? My 64 recently started doing this and I traced it back to the ignition switch. Rather that spending the $$ for a new switch, I just hooked up a $2 push button. Turn the key, hit the button, and I'm off. |
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DanGreen
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my bosch only cost me $25 because the manager made a mistake... I even asked him if he was sure about the price and he said yes even though I new it wasn't, hey, I tried being honest! It was actually on sale for $50 with core exchange but sometimes you just get lucky.
came back to thank everyone that helped me out, thanks! always a learning experience.........  |
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greatlord
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| you could put a rubber boot over it, or keep the speed down so water doesn't get up that high, |
say what?! keep the speed down???????? if the water level of the puddle comes up to the starter it wont matter how slow I go, besides once I get those rear tires spinning it kicks up all kinds of water under there...... Some puddles you can't make it across if you don't have enough speed. Its strange that it would short out anyway, my original starter never had that problem....must be these "new" rebuilds I guess....... |
I try and drive around puddles like that
I did buy some starters from JC whitney a while back I figured at a quarter the price of a bosh rebuild it was worth replacing them now and again, first time the car flooded and had to be cranked for more that 5 seconds they burnt out I'd say when you buy a rebuild make sure ya know who rebuilt it, or do what I did and go scrapyarding, most of the OE starter I've found in junkyards work perfectly, hell I used the stock starter to pull my van about half a mile home when the camshaft gear striped out a while back the originals are dammed tough units |
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DanGreen
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I know  I'll just wrap duct tape around the seems. |
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DanGreen
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yup, its the starter.....
went and got it checked at pepboys. I guess water got in the silenoid and shorted something?? it was a brand new stater so it was still covered, they almost didnt exchange it because I didnt have a reciept.....manager finally found it in the computer, so yea it didnt cost me anything which is a good thing! Any suggestions on how to keep it from shorting again? besides not driving through puddles? I was thinking cv grease........ |
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| When you have electrical problems don't assume that just because it is ?? days or years old that it is still good. |
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tuche... just a simple missunderstanding....
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DanGreen
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| you could put a rubber boot over it, or keep the speed down so water doesn't get up that high, |
say what?! keep the speed down???????? if the water level of the puddle comes up to the starter it wont matter how slow I go, besides once I get those rear tires spinning it kicks up all kinds of water under there...... Some puddles you can't make it across if you don't have enough speed. Its strange that it would short out anyway, my original starter never had that problem....must be these "new" rebuilds I guess.......
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greatlord
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| they use a silicone grease to help keep water and corosion ota electric crap in the navy I know that doesn't conduct I think tune up grease is the same stuff its a good idea to use it on all your weather prone conectors |
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USMCord1
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yup, its the starter.....
went and got it checked at pepboys. I guess water got in the silenoid and shorted something?? it was a brand new stater so it was still covered, they almost didnt exchange it because I didnt have a reciept.....manager finally found it in the computer, so yea it didnt cost me anything which is a good thing! Any suggestions on how to keep it from shorting again? besides not driving through puddles? I was thinking cv grease........ |
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| When you have electrical problems don't assume that just because it is ?? days or years old that it is still good. |
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sharky745
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| Cool, glad to see you got it replaced. Not sure if the grease would be conductive or not... Anybody have a clue? |
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greatlord
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| you could put a rubber boot over it, or keep the speed down so water doesn't get up that high, |
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DanGreen
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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yup, its the starter.....
went and got it checked at pepboys. I guess water got in the silenoid and shorted something?? it was a brand new stater so it was still covered, they almost didnt exchange it because I didnt have a reciept.....manager finally found it in the computer, so yea it didnt cost me anything which is a good thing! Any suggestions on how to keep it from shorting again? besides not driving through puddles? I was thinking cv grease........ |
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papertiger_98
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sounds like it if the car didn't turn over by jumping wires
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DanGreen
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ok, here's what I did.... I unplugged the wire harness from the back of the ignition switch and I took a short piece of wire, one end to the red constant power and the other end to the wire that goes to the starter silenoid. I had the multimeter hooked to the battery and it drained down to 11.97 volts.
me thinks it's the starter silenoid.........?? |
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papertiger_98
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| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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since you have multimeter check the ignition switch before climbing under the car to check the starter selenoid. then if not that then to the starter
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hotratz
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His solenoid and starter are good, He made them spin by shorting at the starter.
Dan, Screw the voltmeter. if you don't know what to expect to see it'll only confuse you. Get the jumper wire like I suggested and start jumping around components until you get the soleniod to pull in again. What ever component you jumped around to get it to spin is the part of the circuit you need to replace.
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greatlord
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| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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| sounds more and more like a bum starter solenoid if your starter motor were getting fed it'd drop to about 10 volts got a known good starter? |
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DanGreen
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| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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my battery is at 12.6Volts
when I turn the key to speedo lights, power starts to drain at .01volt increments per sec then slows to every two seconds then 4 seconds until it got to 12.3volts and then I turned the key all the way to ignition and it drained down to 11.4 volts.
I hooked the multimeter to the battery terminals. |
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