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Bobnotch
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 Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2024 2:43 pm Post subject: Re: BerT3'S Dropped Spindles Stats |
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| rosevillain wrote: |
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| I picked up a set of bert3 spindles on the used market. #037. As I was classing the threads after the rattlecanning, the holes for the steering arm on the r left are 1.00 threads, and the right side are 1.50? Is this normal? The ispwest web diagram shows the left side only. |
can i ask what these are worth in todays market, and were they ever engineered approved?
thanks. |
I don't know about engineered approved, I think the original concept was to be able to pass some sort of inspection in Europe, maybe? I haven't seen many come up for sale used, I spent $700 USD. |
I think Bert made them so they would pass a German TUV inspection.
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notchboy
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| Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2024 3:47 pm Post subject: Re: BerT3'S Dropped Spindles Stats |
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| rosevillain wrote: |
| Gamba1973 wrote: |
| rosevillain wrote: |
| I picked up a set of bert3 spindles on the used market. #037. As I was classing the threads after the rattlecanning, the holes for the steering arm on the r left are 1.00 threads, and the right side are 1.50? Is this normal? The ispwest web diagram shows the left side only. |
can i ask what these are worth in todays market, and were they ever engineered approved?
thanks. |
I don't know about engineered approved, I think the original concept was to be able to pass some sort of inspection in Europe, maybe? I haven't seen many come up for sale used, I spent $700 USD. |
Are any engineered approved?  
My raised spindles made in the US sure were not. 
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rosevillain
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| Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2024 7:47 am Post subject: Re: BerT3'S Dropped Spindles Stats |
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| rosevillain wrote: |
| I picked up a set of bert3 spindles on the used market. #037. As I was classing the threads after the rattlecanning, the holes for the steering arm on the r left are 1.00 threads, and the right side are 1.50? Is this normal? The ispwest web diagram shows the left side only. |
can i ask what these are worth in todays market, and were they ever engineered approved?
thanks. |
I don't know about engineered approved, I think the original concept was to be able to pass some sort of inspection in Europe, maybe? I haven't seen many come up for sale used, I spent $700 USD. |
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Gamba1973
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| Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2024 3:05 pm Post subject: Re: BerT3'S Dropped Spindles Stats |
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| rosevillain wrote: |
| I picked up a set of bert3 spindles on the used market. #037. As I was classing the threads after the rattlecanning, the holes for the steering arm on the r left are 1.00 threads, and the right side are 1.50? Is this normal? The ispwest web diagram shows the left side only. |
can i ask what these are worth in todays market, and were they ever engineered approved?
thanks. |
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rosevillain
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| Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2024 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: BerT3'S Dropped Spindles Stats |
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| They’re all 12mm, just the threads are different. |
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Brent
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| Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2024 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: BerT3'S Dropped Spindles Stats |
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| rosevillain wrote: |
| I picked up a set of bert3 spindles on the used market. #037. As I was classing the threads after the rattlecanning, the holes for the steering arm on the r left are 1.00 threads, and the right side are 1.50? Is this normal? The ispwest web diagram shows the left side only. |
Did you check the same hole on each? The steering arms use 2 different sized bolts on each spindle.
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rosevillain
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| Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2024 5:38 pm Post subject: Re: BerT3'S Dropped Spindles Stats |
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| I picked up a set of bert3 spindles on the used market. #037. As I was classing the threads after the rattlecanning, the holes for the steering arm on the r left are 1.00 threads, and the right side are 1.50? Is this normal? The ispwest web diagram shows the left side only. |
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Brent
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2023 9:48 pm Post subject: Re: BerT3'S Dropped Spindles Stats |
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| Anyone has a set that wants to sell/trade? |
I have a pair. Sent you a DM.
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daos
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 11:53 am Post subject: Re: BerT3'S Dropped Spindles Stats |
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| yeah, there are a lot of hard corners/edges, possible stress risers. some smoothening may be expedient. |
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notchboy
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 11:37 am Post subject: Re: BerT3'S Dropped Spindles Stats |
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Watch your Bert spindles closely near the ball joint pinch bolt areas.
One of mine was cut too thin and he swapped me out.
Another i accidentally broke on install and Russell at Old Speed fixed it for me.
Remove material?
I rounded the sharp edges off a bit.
But drill holes?
No way. |
Good advice.
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daos
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 11:34 am Post subject: Re: BerT3'S Dropped Spindles Stats |
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| ok, thanks for the heads up. |
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Clatter
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2023 11:12 am Post subject: Re: BerT3'S Dropped Spindles Stats |
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Watch your Bert spindles closely near the ball joint pinch bolt areas.
One of mine was cut too thin and he swapped me out.
Another i accidentally broke on install and Russell at Old Speed fixed it for me.
Remove material?
I rounded the sharp edges off a bit.
But drill holes?
No way.
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daos
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:12 pm Post subject: Re: BerT3'S Dropped Spindles Stats |
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good point though i live in sweden, so not an issue.
but it's one of those things that probably isn't worth the trouble for a road car. plenty of other stuff which is higher priority, like getting them mounted and in use. |
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:14 pm Post subject: Re: BerT3'S Dropped Spindles Stats |
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hehe, pure unobtainium.
i'm overhauling my front end and will be fitting a set. was comparing weight to the originals.. going to have to have a think about it. not in terms of if they can be made lighter - i'm sure they can - but if i dare to drill holes in them. |
I wouldnt bother myself. With how strict some countries are (hence Bert making them) you might be making it harder to sell the car or spindles later down the line. Just my initial thoughts |
Yup, that was my thought too. I believe he made them like he did so it would pass the German TUV standard, along with a few other countries. That's why they're so "over built".
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Erik G
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:58 am Post subject: Re: BerT3'S Dropped Spindles Stats |
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hehe, pure unobtainium.
i'm overhauling my front end and will be fitting a set. was comparing weight to the originals.. going to have to have a think about it. not in terms of if they can be made lighter - i'm sure they can - but if i dare to drill holes in them. |
I wouldnt bother myself. With how strict some countries are (hence Bert making them) you might be making it harder to sell the car or spindles later down the line. Just my initial thoughts |
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ALLWAGONS
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: BerT3'S Dropped Spindles Stats |
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Anyone has a set that wants to sell/trade?
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daos
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:14 pm Post subject: Re: BerT3'S Dropped Spindles Stats |
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hehe, pure unobtainium.
i'm overhauling my front end and will be fitting a set. was comparing weight to the originals.. going to have to have a think about it. not in terms of if they can be made lighter - i'm sure they can - but if i dare to drill holes in them. |
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:29 pm Post subject: Re: BerT3'S Dropped Spindles Stats |
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| anybody lightened a set of berts spindles? there's a lot of material on there compared to OEM spindles. i'm thinking a few strategically placed holes.. |
Not that I know of. Most of us are just trying to obtain a set of his spindles.
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daos
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:45 am Post subject: Re: BerT3'S Dropped Spindles Stats |
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| anybody lightened a set of berts spindles? there's a lot of material on there compared to OEM spindles. i'm thinking a few strategically placed holes.. |
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vlad01
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a Type 4 F.I. engine!!!!!
my 71 411s was 85hp/ 99.6 lbs tq stock
that would be perfect |
Yeah, but Vlad doesn't want chinese parts in his German engine, so he's saving his pennies for a Raby Subby motor. More power for less. Hopefully Jake will still be building them when Vlad has the money to buy 1. |
I am sure he will be when I get around to it.
I got some goodies from K-mac the other day. I will post them in the type 3 contingent thread. |
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