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buffbuh Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 3:25 pm Post subject: Re: Best starter for Subaru converted Vanagon |
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That Autozone starter I can comment on - the one I got was making a hideous noise. I took it in, and it tested bad, so they gave me a replacement (lifetime warranty! - that's the good!). I'm still hearing the same noise. Maybe it's not the starter.
But it starts every time, no problem.
I just put in a low mileage JDM 2.2L Subaru motor, so I'm in for another long haul with Vanagon adventure.
Westyventures, thanks for making that adapter plate available again!
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Outback Kampers Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 9:05 pm Post subject: Re: Best starter for Subaru converted Vanagon |
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| Only went with this option because the adapter plates were out of stock. Hopefully it holds up! |
Back in stock as of today.  _________________ Karl Mullendore
1990 Syncro 16" sunroof Reimo highroof conversion
1990 Westy Multivan 112i automatic
1992 LT31 Karmann Distance Wide 'La Tortuga'
2014 Touareg X TDI |
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unloneliestonie Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 7:20 pm Post subject: Re: Best starter for Subaru converted Vanagon |
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| Old thread but I'll contribute that with my 2.5 I swapped a junkyard 91' vanagon starter in place of the 1.9 original & it has made a world of difference with the hot engine starts. Only went with this option because the adapter plates were out of stock. Hopefully it holds up! |
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buffbuh Samba Member
Joined: August 31, 2007 Posts: 77 Location: Orem, UT
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Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:22 am Post subject: Autozone Duralast starter review |
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The starter has worked fine since I got it. The Subibus is not my daily driver, but no issues with the starter, and it has a lifetime guarantee, so pretty good cheap option.
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buffbuh Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:12 pm Post subject: Autozone |
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Autozone part # 17703 Duralast starter will serve as BOSCH SR0408X replacement - 104.99 dollars lifetime warranty.
Unfortunately, I thought I was just replacing a bad Vanagon starter - turns out my '97 2.2L Subie may have a serious problem. So I cannot yet give you judgement on the Autozone Duralast starter.
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thummmper Samba Member

Joined: November 25, 2009 Posts: 2015 Location: Meadow Valley, California Republic
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| I'll letchya know when I have that problem, ken. 90GL /90 2.2. My starter has a remanufactured sticker on the side of it. how much is the sr----starter and your adapter? |
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tclark Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:39 pm Post subject: Re: BEWARE of WPS starter... I'm going to have to go BOSCH n |
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It made a horrendous clacking sound. I thought that the external gear had stripped, or worse my fly wheel??!! External gears were fine.
Taking the starter apart, it appears to be a flaw in design. Connecting internal gears do not fully engage, just the tip of them, and over a short period of time, it wears and rides on stripped end. (I should have taken a picture when I had it apart!) Plenty of gear for engagement, but it looked like by design, they could not engage fully.
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I wonder if you got a bad one or if you saw a real design flaw ..
the other thing i wonder if you MAYBE were getting low voltage =High Amps at the starter & MAYBE getting partial engagement & that triggered the wear
Kinda interesting now that I have tracked who makes the the WPS starters & found some more distributors in traditional auto channels & they are saying they have no issues with this particular starter ie the 2-1974-BO
http://search.waiglobal.com/partsearch/partnum.aspx?part=2-1974-BO
They do say that it is kinda like all products fron china there are good & bad in the wps line ..
2 distributors I spoke with gives this the thumbs up _________________ 89 Westy with TDI AHU 1.9 manual lots of mods
85 GL 1.9, auto (for sold) |
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mblotz Samba Member

Joined: February 25, 2004 Posts: 296 Location: D-town, at base of the rocky's
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| to me, the best starter for a subaru converted van is----------- a SUBARU starter! that would mean you would need a smallcar or RJES bellhousing though. which probably isnt an option (already converted). I've done conversions using VW starters, and im really diggin the bellhousing set up |
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r39o Samba Polizei

Joined: May 18, 2005 Posts: 9800 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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In my case my starter is coming as a freebie from my trusty TDI mechanic who takes care of my 2 TDIs.
Too bad I can not afford a TDI in our automatic Westy....... _________________ "Use the SEARCH, Luke" But first visit the Vanagon FAQ!
1990 Multivan EJ 22, Rancho trans 0.82 4th, Small Car front AC, CLKs w/ 215/65-16, homemade big brakes 303mm, Konis, Recaros, etc....
Click to see my ads for Cup holders, Subaru clutch fix and CLK wheels (no wheels currently) |
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VisPacem Samba Member

Joined: July 15, 2007 Posts: 1143 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the pics Ben! I've been wondering how well the adaptors are working on the SVX. Have you guys tested the automatic versions yet? :S
Where do you find starters for $20??? I'd like to have a couple if you can find a few that cheap! |
Where do you find starters for $20???
Reminds me of the "great deal" on US$39.00 master cylinders>>>
<><><>My local supplier stocks ATF master cylinders (if I remember the brand name correctly). They cost less than $40.<><><><>
""Your local supplier, I believe quoted me a price of thirty nine dollars and change ($39.). When I received the part this morning the invoice showed a total amount of one hundred forty six dollars and cents ($146...)""
Please... Please.... Please.............................
Original poster on the m/c thread who kindly tried to help, THIS IS NOT DIRECTED AT YOU. You assistance and info is greatly appreciated.
I guess there could a price for the amigos and one for the gringos like me. _________________ LG aka VisPacemPB, *The* party Pooper
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tclark Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:59 am Post subject: |
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I just found this post
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=2373805&postcount=518
SR0409X is a 2KW with 10 teeth and CCW rotation
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the SR0408X 1.8KW 10 tooth CCW
hmm if that right i guess you want the SR0409X _________________ 89 Westy with TDI AHU 1.9 manual lots of mods
85 GL 1.9, auto (for sold) |
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Outback Kampers Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:54 am Post subject: |
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I C 2 different part number for the manual version of the TDI starter
Bosch SR0408X and SR0409X
what is the differenence
I have seen that SR0407X is for automatics but KarlM adapter choice makes the manual version work with ONLY the manual version of the starter .. |
408 and 409 seem to be the same as far as I can tell. _________________ Karl Mullendore
1990 Syncro 16" sunroof Reimo highroof conversion
1990 Westy Multivan 112i automatic
1992 LT31 Karmann Distance Wide 'La Tortuga'
2014 Touareg X TDI |
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tclark Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:43 am Post subject: |
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I C 2 different part number for the manual version of the TDI starter
Bosch SR0408X and SR0409X
what is the differenence
I have seen that SR0407X is for automatics but KarlM adapter choice makes the manual version work with ONLY the manual version of the starter .. _________________ 89 Westy with TDI AHU 1.9 manual lots of mods
85 GL 1.9, auto (for sold) |
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Outback Kampers Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:32 am Post subject: |
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I believe BuffBuh has a Subaru conversion - many have found the stock WBX starter not quite powerful enough to start these when hot. That's why they are now using the SR0408X and my adaptor (made right down on Main St.)  _________________ Karl Mullendore
1990 Syncro 16" sunroof Reimo highroof conversion
1990 Westy Multivan 112i automatic
1992 LT31 Karmann Distance Wide 'La Tortuga'
2014 Touareg X TDI |
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thummmper Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:23 am Post subject: |
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Buff!
can you recreate the failing condition on your driveway? do so if you can and cool the starter with water. try, like ben said, tapping it with a wrench, hammer or whatever you can get up in there. If either of these make it work, then your armature is worn out and you need to rebuild or replace the starter. you will save shipping, help your local economy and cut to the chase. a healthy 2.1 starter is all you need unless you want to rube goldberg it. [complicate] there's some rebuild shop in your town that needs the work. lets bring main street back a little. |
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Outback Kampers Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:17 am Post subject: |
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hmm I thought all jetta TDI 96-2003 had the same starter according to what i read here
can you link to a pic of what is called a self-supporting shaft. |
Look at the ebay link above - it has a good photo of the correct starter.
edit: here is the 17703 starter, the correct one:
http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores...9228455___ _________________ Karl Mullendore
1990 Syncro 16" sunroof Reimo highroof conversion
1990 Westy Multivan 112i automatic
1992 LT31 Karmann Distance Wide 'La Tortuga'
2014 Touareg X TDI |
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tclark Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:09 am Post subject: |
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The Advance Auto starter, if pictured as the part you are buying, is not the correct starter - the TDI starter has a self-supporting shaft. |
hmm I thought all jetta TDI 96-2006 had the same starter according to what i read here & that ebay link
can you link to a pic of what is called a self-supporting shaft. _________________ 89 Westy with TDI AHU 1.9 manual lots of mods
85 GL 1.9, auto (for sold)
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Outback Kampers Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:43 am Post subject: |
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Hopefully that [Chinese] starter was just a fluke and they are not all that way, because the price is great!
The Advance Auto starter, if pictured as the part you are buying, is not the correct starter - the TDI starter has a self-supporting shaft. Note also that at that price you're most likely getting just another Chinese starter. All manufacturers are heading that direction, unfortunately, to stay competitive. _________________ Karl Mullendore
1990 Syncro 16" sunroof Reimo highroof conversion
1990 Westy Multivan 112i automatic
1992 LT31 Karmann Distance Wide 'La Tortuga'
2014 Touareg X TDI |
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tclark Samba Member
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buffbuh Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:24 am Post subject: BEWARE of WPS starter... I'm going to have to go BOSCH now.. |
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I can't recommend that WPS starter anymore. It worked like a CHARM for a while, and the power is a GREAT upgrade from stock starter, so I STILL want the upgrade. BUT I will have to choose a different brand starter. After a few months with the WPS, I could hold the starter gear with my hand and stop it from spinning. In the car, it would not spin nor start my car. I should have posted this earlier - just a lot on my plate lately, so I'm glad you inquired.
It made a horrendous clacking sound. I thought that the external gear had stripped, or worse my fly wheel??!! External gears were fine.
Taking the starter apart, it appears to be a flaw in design. Connecting internal gears do not fully engage, just the tip of them, and over a short period of time, it wears and rides on stripped end. (I should have taken a picture when I had it apart!) Plenty of gear for engagement, but it looked like by design, they could not engage fully.
I did talk to the seller about it, and he agreed to replace it for me, but why would I want to risk having the same starter with the same design? I just plan to bite the bullet and use it as a core towards a rebuilt SR0408X Bosch.
MJM Autohaus seems like a good price online - HAS ANYONE INPUT OR REVIEW ON MJM AUTOHAUS?
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