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bbspdstr
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Bruce: Once again I'm relegated to rooting for Rosemary's Cardinals. The Dodgers and Angels share the Phillies' unhappiness with the season.  Bill |
Martha and I went to a Blues Festival yesterday and saw a lot of partial logo shirts with "illies" or just "ill" in the logo font...too funny. Then, we also saw some optimistic Eagles gear on old and young. The optimism was dashed today by the defense imitating the Phillie's bullpen with the offense also presenting "gifts" to the Pittsburgh defense......so baseball or football, we can all root for Rosemary's Babies!
For Marvin, I'd still recommend getting the Irish green 356 color and having test sheets sprayed so that they can be put on and near the blue to see if it can be tolerated as "originality."
That blue goes great with silver, Dolphin gray, black, Elfinbein hell (light Ivory) in the "period correct" range. All "owner options"
That light blue metallic was a used-car color from the later '60s and all through the '70s...VERY common to see or find even today over or under "retail red."
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malibubill
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Marvin:
First, welcome. Somehow the openness permitted by Everett assisted by Brian and Jenepher and Glenn if I have that right (THANKS AGAIN EVERETT!!!) is refreshing "over here."
Rosemary and I own a 64 Coupe with a custom exterior color from the factory (Dunkel Blau or Dark Blue in English) with a red interior. We've got the original purchase order and invoice so can prove it. The original owner parted with the princely sum of $US 75.00 for the custom paint. Rosemary always remarks how fun the gatherings of 356s are for a lot of reasons, one of them being her oft stated remark: "They look like a wonderful collection of Easter eggs with all those colors." I cannot disagree with her - well, on anything I guess.  So, it's your car, but if personal economics permit go for that unique original combo. Distinctive color combos are something my family loves. But, I repeat, it's your car.
Bruce: Once again I'm relegated to rooting for Rosemary's Cardinals. The Dodgers and Angels share the Phillies' unhappiness with the season.
Bill
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356JAEGER
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Marvin,
Banish your fears. Embrace your wonderfully unique companion. They used to disparage Sky Blue and Red, and now it's highly valued. I still say,
stunning combination. Best wishes in your decision making.
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marvin ungerman
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| Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:32 am Post subject: irish/blue |
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Bruce
Thanks for your thoughts.
My car was most definitely delivered as described. I have the original interior and I have found the original Irish green under the dash and on the rear engine lid hardware.
I surely do know it is different.
When I received the car (I am 3rd owner),it was painted meisen blue metalic?
Mechanicals have all been done recently,now just want to restore body work after my 35 year ownership.
I am definitely afraid of the "ORIGINALITY of my car.
The COA does state Irish Green with Blue leather, chrome wheels, speakers, and 2 Talbot mirrors.
I am leaning to either original or maybe Ivory6402 or even Smyrna green.
Fire away at me, I can take it
Great site here, not as much disharmony as "other" site. Keep up good work.
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bbspdstr
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| Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:47 pm Post subject: Re: Irish green/blue |
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......My COA states my car was produced as Irish green over Blue leather.......I really want to return to original but am hesitant because I have not been able to see this combo in real life.....
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Not to be too harsh on PCNA for errors in their CoAs, I would "trust, but verify" and ask again to be sure they got the interior color right. When I asked for the CoA for my Speedster, it came back with "interior color not recorded" because the person doing the transposition didn't realize the interior color was a code, a letter of the alphabet, next to the paint code. My silver Speedster's interior was black, as verified by it's original owner.
IF your 'official' color was indeed blue in a green car it is not a combo I have seen in my nearly 50 years with these cars...since they were new at the tail end of the 356 C/SC. Irish green was as Barry said, with plenty done with black and a few with red also...but we 'never say never.' (We just don't think any 356 came with a V-8 engine from the factory.)
What I have often done, as a restorer, is create a palate of the materials to be used on a 356 to let the customer really see what the whole combo will look like together. I take a piece of a car's sheetmetal (can be anything from any car that has curves and contour, often I repaint a piece of a truck fender about 2' square) to show the proposed exterior color. I place a piece of the interior vinyl or leather (with/without corduroy...a small section of that) on the larger painted piece. I add a piece of the color carpet with whatever binding is to be appropriate, a piece of something chrome, a gold emblem, some aluminum trim, something small like a rubber gasket to represent the black details, a Porsche hood crest for the colors a red glass or plastic piece for the taillights or reflectors, some clear glass, etc. They are juxtaposed in various ways together or in smaller combos in various lights...sunlight being most important....and then manipulated around in various alignments by the customer so they get a good feel of the final result as close as possible.
In photography, we used to do "dye transfers" to change colors for this type of experiment...now, you (or someone) could photoshop your existing blue interior into a picture of a green 356.
I will step out of line and slightly on some toes, but the blue used in '63 does NOT go well with Irish green according to my mind's eye. But then again, "art" is in the eye of the beholder...and that's each and every one of us.
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Barry Brisco
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:03 am Post subject: Re: irish green/blue |
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| marvin ungerman wrote: |
My COA states my car was produced as Irish green over Blue leather.
I still have the original blue leather interior, but car was repainted 30 years ago in white.
I really want to return to original but am hesitant because I have not been able to see this combo in real life. |
Hi Marvin,
Yes I think that would definitely have been a special order color combo. I believe that standard interior colors for an Irish Green C cab were fawn or grey.
I think you are wise to want to see that color combo in "real life" before investing in a paint job. Color preferences are very personal, and speaking only for myself green/blue would not be my preference. I have never seen a C car in that color combination.
Of course there is always a good case to be made for returning a 356 to its original factory colors! And an unusual color combo that is verified by the COA can add value and "authenticity" to the car.
I would be interested in seeing some good clear photos of the interior of your car, can you post some?
Best regards,
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356JAEGER
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Marvin,
I have never seen one and you may have a one off car with that combination.
It sounds spectacular to me and looks so in my mind's eye. Perhaps one of John Wilhoit's Irish Green swatches held next to your interior would give a good idea ?
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Unobtanium-inc
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Here is the car when Marv was kind enough to stop at Unobtanium HQ on his way to the ECH in Boston.
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marvin ungerman
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:35 am Post subject: Irish green/blue |
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Hi all
A newbie from the "other"site.
Does anyone own a Irish green over Blue leather C car ?
If so, can you post a picture?
My COA states my car was produced as Irish green over Blue leather.
I still have the original blue leather interior, but car was repainted 30 years ago in white.
I really want to return to original but am hesitant because I have not been able to see this combo in real life.
My car must have been a "special order" because of this combo.
Car is a 1964 cab#159111 delivered in Dusseldorff August 5 1963.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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