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BenT Syncro Samba Member

Joined: January 07, 2005 Posts: 1088 Location: San Francisco
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:58 am Post subject: |
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Yes, that's it. _________________ BenT |
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levi Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2005 Posts: 5522 Location: Las Vegas
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BenT Syncro Samba Member

Joined: January 07, 2005 Posts: 1088 Location: San Francisco
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:33 am Post subject: |
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THANK YOU, for filling us in on the story behind this.
Too bad that this may now probably get squished. |
You can probably legalize that thing by now. It's old enough.
Wondering what they did with the '57 VIN plate.😳 _________________ BenT |
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levi Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2005 Posts: 5522 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:12 am Post subject: |
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THANK YOU, for filling us in on the story behind this.
Too bad that this may now probably get squished. _________________ One of these days I'm gonna settle down,
but till I do I won't be hangin round.
Going down that long lonesome highway,
gonna see life my way
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BenT Syncro Samba Member

Joined: January 07, 2005 Posts: 1088 Location: San Francisco
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 1:22 am Post subject: |
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This T25 Singlecab was sold to Vanamania some years back. It was bought from a guy from the San Francisco Bay Area, who supposedly brought it over a decade before from the UK. The man is a Brit expat. He said it was originally a diesel which he converted to aircooled. By the time I saw it, it had a 1.8 inline-4 with a Weber so close to the frame rail that it was not possible to put an air cleaner on it. It was ran that way and would occasionally have flames licking out from the backfiring.
He was advertising it as an '82. Money changed hands. When the papers arrived after the bill of sale, it said it was a 1957 Singlecab. This vehicle was only driven to Van-O-Rama and bURNINGvAN as the new owner was apprehensive about the consequences of this defective title. Inquired with a "friendly" CHP officer. He said the VIN is not stolen and just don't drive it like you stole it.😳 Anyway, it never sat well with the new owner. Eventually an offer was made by Vic and money changed hands again. The were some outstanding issues unrelated to the truck but with the same party. As a consequence, the title is still with (ahem) YOURS TRULY. As far as I was concerned, it was sold as a parts truck.
There were large dents on the cargo bed and rust damage on several areas. On my subsequent visit to sort out other matters in Pahrump, I was shown the truck in partial restoration. It appeared some bodywork had been done though the quality and extent is unknown. The doors had been replaced. Replacement gates were provided but not installed at that time. The engine and transmission had been removed and so was the 2-person bench seat - replaced with armrest seats. It was being advertised as a 1985 model sans title for $4900 right here on Samba. I don't know how the present owner had come to own it. I can only assume it was purchase from Vanamania or perhaps he is selling on their behalf.
(Edited to correct typos, etc.) _________________ BenT
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levi Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2005 Posts: 5522 Location: Las Vegas
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levi Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2005 Posts: 5522 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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And that's what scares me.
Vic is right "Over the hump in Pahrump", as slick and sleazy as they come, brought in a bunch of these. Knowing him I would expect them all to be parts car status.
If this is one of his its very likely to be a pooched situation. _________________ One of these days I'm gonna settle down,
but till I do I won't be hangin round.
Going down that long lonesome highway,
gonna see life my way
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MsTaboo  Samba Member

Joined: June 02, 2006 Posts: 4624 Location: East Kootenay, British Columbia
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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A triple Z (ZZZ) vin number on a vehicle over 25 years old is not a problem.
A vehicle imported as a "parts" car might be. The Feds would want to make sure it's not structurally unsound. _________________ Currently:
'90 Syncro Westy 3 knob w/Zetec
The information age has morphed into the age of disinformation and willful ignorance. Agnotology!
When you stir up shit you're bound to get some on yourself.
Resist Kleptocratic Oligarchy (and Idiocracy)! |
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Tracey Samba Member
Joined: November 22, 2008 Posts: 161
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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out of interest, why are triple ZZZ numbers an issue in the US?
Used in UK as first three digits are not used in uk/european market as i understand it so ZZZ are purely filler numbers.
Does it cause an issue over there then? |
Its not normally an issue when they are imported properly. Those letters are for the most part european market vans, they had the 112hp gas engine and they would not have had been available to the US for emission issues and so on. So to legally import them they would have to been done according to US standards.
The problems arise when these vans come into the states for parts only. They for go all the normal import procedures and from what I can tell are listed as such, making for getting a title difficult.
Disclaimer's
*This info may or may not be completely accurate. lol
*I am in no way shape or form an import specialist. _________________ 1986 Westy Subaru 2.5 Syncro **SOLD**
1970 Westy camper
1965 split project
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Crankey Samba Member

Joined: July 11, 2004 Posts: 2672
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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I can't talk you out of it because I want to read the story of you building it back.  |
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CHARLIE-DONT-SURF Samba Member
Joined: November 16, 2007 Posts: 335 Location: Cow County, UK
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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out of interest, why are triple ZZZ numbers an issue in the US?
Used in UK as first three digits are not used in uk/european market as i understand it so ZZZ are purely filler numbers.
Does it cause an issue over there then? _________________ https://www.facebook.com/Cow-County-Looms-1010851485971680/ |
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Xtremjeepn Samba Member

Joined: October 21, 2012 Posts: 1543 Location: Colorado
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Tracey Samba Member
Joined: November 22, 2008 Posts: 161
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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Oh Geesh. ..
It's probably got a triple z vin on it, I have a feeling if I buy you'll see me have it up for sale soon too, unable to register it.
That worries me a bit. .. |
WV2ZZZ24ZCH049290 from the add.
This smells like it was one of those "vic" specials from zsi or what ever hes called out there. You can search feed back on the forum here for zsi.
Sounds like someone who fell for the lie and bought it, now can't title it. From what I remember reading somewhere none of those vans were imported correctly (parts only) and now its turned into a head ache for unsuspecting buyers. Can't say for sure that this is "one" of those but I would seriously do your homework before you hand over cash. _________________ 1986 Westy Subaru 2.5 Syncro **SOLD**
1970 Westy camper
1965 split project
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uncommonvw Samba Member
Joined: July 12, 2004 Posts: 230 Location: Jordan, ON Canada
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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What seems to be the problem here? No title but a bill of sale?
Get the VIN. Ask the seller if it is stolen and tell him you will call the police to run the VIN to make sure it isn't. Offer him twice what the scrap value is in Vegas. Have cash and a trailer waiting at the curb.
This T3 is over 25 years old so there should be no reason that you cannot register it in your state. It meets the 25 year exemption rules for the US EPA, DMV, etc......
The parts to convert to LHD are available. Shouldn't be too difficult?
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hans j Samba Member

Joined: May 06, 2006 Posts: 2746 Location: Salt Lake City UT
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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I wish I was closer, I have a shifter kart I could trade him I just don't have enough time to go down and get it.
Would be a fun project, I've been wanting a single cab to turn into a dump truck. I would keep it RHD too.
So Levi, if you plan on heading to SLC anytime soon, make room for a single cab  _________________ 1986 Canadian Syncro Westy TDI - 1989 Syncro Single Cab - 2001 Audi S4 - 1981 VW Caddy ABA - 1980 VW Caddy EV - 1973 VW T-181 |
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levi Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2005 Posts: 5522 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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Just like those dokas that vic has had for sale out in Pahrump for years.
Easy to register!
Yeah.... _________________ One of these days I'm gonna settle down,
but till I do I won't be hangin round.
Going down that long lonesome highway,
gonna see life my way
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levi Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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Oh Geesh. ..
It's probably got a triple z vin on it, I have a feeling if I buy you'll see me have it up for sale soon too, unable to register it.
That worries me a bit. .. _________________ One of these days I'm gonna settle down,
but till I do I won't be hangin round.
Going down that long lonesome highway,
gonna see life my way
https://youtu.be/cSrL0BXsO40 |
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wasserbox Samba Member

Joined: April 08, 2008 Posts: 533 Location: Durango, CO
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rubbachicken Samba Member

Joined: October 05, 2004 Posts: 3058 Location: socal
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levi Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 10:49 am Post subject: |
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NOOOOooooo...don't make me do it
I'm hoping someone else on here will see it and buy it _________________ One of these days I'm gonna settle down,
but till I do I won't be hangin round.
Going down that long lonesome highway,
gonna see life my way
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