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mark tucker Samba Member

Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23945 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:05 pm Post subject: Re: Will it work? |
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| do some head work to chambers and ports,ss valves.the pan of Cheetos heads aint a bad idea. get them cnc chambers for the cr you wish it to be.personaly I would go with a lower lift cam&1.34 rockers to save on guide & seat wear. |
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madmike Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2005 Posts: 5300 Location: Atlanta,Michigan
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:41 am Post subject: Re: Will it work? |
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Hey Lee, your gonna leave a lot of ponies on the bench using that 110
grab a fk8 and some 1:4's
I'm also in the middle of a 78 stroker build but I opted for 92 thick walls  _________________ 'Black Ice'Drag Buggy 'Turbo'
Rail Buggy 1915 turbo
76 Drag/Street bug 2180cc 'Turbo' 11:85 @113 mph"If I go any faster I'll burn up the Hamster" ,gets 28 mpg. also 10/09/22 11.90 @115 mph
"If I'm ever on Life Support,UNPLUG Me, Then Plug me back In see if that Works" |
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allamaabroad Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2016 Posts: 560
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:07 pm Post subject: Re: Will it work? |
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| buguy wrote: |
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I'm building something very similar, 78.4 x 94, panchitos with CNC 68cc chambers, CB2288 (FK8), 1.4 rockers, TD04-13 turbo.
With stock heads cut to 94, at best you'll have 52cc chambers, which means runing a massive deck height (.105") to get yourself to a useable compression ratio for a turbo.
I would second getting panchitos, the optional 68cc chamber is perfect for this motor as it gives a compression ratio of 8.2-1 with a .040 deck. With B pistons and 5.5 rods you should be perfect. |
That will be a killer engine your building. You will be giggling like a schoolgirl when you get into the meat of that boost!! |
I should be starting a build thread later this week, just about done with all the dirty work of fabrication so then I can get everything final cleaned and put together...Just waiting on a box from CB any time now |
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buguy Samba Member

Joined: November 17, 2003 Posts: 4915 Location: Port Orange, FL
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:21 pm Post subject: Re: Will it work? |
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| Could be? I believe my original heads measured out to 56cc's but i don't remember for sure now. |
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clonebug Samba Member

Joined: January 29, 2005 Posts: 4130 Location: NW Washington
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:20 pm Post subject: Re: Will it work? |
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Run .100 deck......you have the parts already. That will put you right at 8.8:1...if you can get 52 cc chambers.
Make sure you have a good tune......10 lbs boost.....12.0:1 afr on boost, max of 130 degree IAT's at 20-22 Degrees advance would be a great starting point.
Use Water injection or an intercooler ...or both to keep intake temps down.
Cooler IAT's allow more advance. _________________
| richardcraineum wrote: |
| I'm so ignorant of efi I don't even know the difference between batch, sequential blah blah blah .. |
| cbeck wrote: |
| His user name in a previous life was dick head. |
My Megasquirt Fuel Injection Turbo Buggy Build
Water/Alcohol Injection
Audi TT intercooler
Upgraded to MS3Pro-Evo
EcuMaster PMU16
ECUMaster ADU5 Digital Dash
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modok Samba Member

Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 27750 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:20 pm Post subject: Re: Will it work? |
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| 47 not including step |
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Pruneman99 Samba Member
Joined: February 22, 2012 Posts: 5013 Location: Oceanside
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:02 pm Post subject: Re: Will it work? |
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| buguy wrote: |
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| I would guess you will have too high compression ratio with stock heads bored for 94's. Turbo will make the problem worse. |
A quick check on the calculator shows 9:1 compression with a 53cc chamber,. 040" deck height, and a 94mm bore. Not bad. Make it .060" deck height and your down to 8.5:1 compression. That's not a terrible place for efi. Especially if you don't go nuts on the boost. Sure new heads would be better, but i wouldn't be afraid to run it like that on stockers for cheap money. |
The head chart says 47cc chamber, but also a step. I don't know if the step was factored into the chamber volume, but I thought it was. The OP needs to verify what he actually has for chamber volume. |
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buguy Samba Member

Joined: November 17, 2003 Posts: 4915 Location: Port Orange, FL
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: Will it work? |
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| I agree. Build it, see what you like and what you dont, and move forward from there. It's a lot of work to go from nothing to efi and turbo. Add building an engine into the mix and you will be lucky to ever finish. |
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Krochus Samba Member
Joined: January 01, 2017 Posts: 892 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:41 pm Post subject: Re: Will it work? |
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Every cam is a turbo cam. Sloppy mechanics 101
Is this a maximum effort build to post huge dyno numbers for social media likes? No? Then build it, skip the porting, your turbo is your porting have fun being faster than 99.85% of NA bugs
VW engine builds crack me up. “Will this super specific set of parts do something magical a different combination of super specific parts won’t” _________________ 1970 Turbo Baja Bug Turbaja 2165 t3/t4 Speeduino sequential EFI LS3 coil on plug ignition
1965 Chevy c30, Microsquirt turbo aluminum 5.3/nv4500 |
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clonebug Samba Member

Joined: January 29, 2005 Posts: 4130 Location: NW Washington
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:38 pm Post subject: Re: Will it work? |
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| buguy wrote: |
| clonebug wrote: |
Mmmmmmm...turbo.....  |
Aren't you knocking on 250hp's door with your 1679 with one of those "crappy" 110 cams? |
No...it's the crappier 100 cam......with 1.38 rockers........the Travesty!!!!!!!  _________________
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| I'm so ignorant of efi I don't even know the difference between batch, sequential blah blah blah .. |
| cbeck wrote: |
| His user name in a previous life was dick head. |
My Megasquirt Fuel Injection Turbo Buggy Build
Water/Alcohol Injection
Audi TT intercooler
Upgraded to MS3Pro-Evo
EcuMaster PMU16
ECUMaster ADU5 Digital Dash
http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=127936 |
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buguy Samba Member

Joined: November 17, 2003 Posts: 4915 Location: Port Orange, FL
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:24 pm Post subject: Re: Will it work? |
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| allamaabroad wrote: |
I'm building something very similar, 78.4 x 94, panchitos with CNC 68cc chambers, CB2288 (FK8), 1.4 rockers, TD04-13 turbo.
With stock heads cut to 94, at best you'll have 52cc chambers, which means runing a massive deck height (.105") to get yourself to a useable compression ratio for a turbo.
I would second getting panchitos, the optional 68cc chamber is perfect for this motor as it gives a compression ratio of 8.2-1 with a .040 deck. With B pistons and 5.5 rods you should be perfect. |
That will be a killer engine your building. You will be giggling like a schoolgirl when you get into the meat of that boost!! |
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buguy Samba Member

Joined: November 17, 2003 Posts: 4915 Location: Port Orange, FL
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: Will it work? |
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| Pruneman99 wrote: |
| I would guess you will have too high compression ratio with stock heads bored for 94's. Turbo will make the problem worse. |
A quick check on the calculator shows 9:1 compression with a 53cc chamber,. 040" deck height, and a 94mm bore. Not bad. Make it .060" deck height and your down to 8.5:1 compression. That's not a terrible place for efi. Especially if you don't go nuts on the boost. Sure new heads would be better, but i wouldn't be afraid to run it like that on stockers for cheap money. |
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buguy Samba Member

Joined: November 17, 2003 Posts: 4915 Location: Port Orange, FL
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:14 pm Post subject: Re: Will it work? |
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| clonebug wrote: |
Mmmmmmm...turbo.....  |
Aren't you knocking on 250hp's door with your 1679 with one of those "crappy" 110 cams? |
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evanfrucht Samba Member

Joined: July 24, 2016 Posts: 2186 Location: Laurel Canyon, CA
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:44 pm Post subject: Re: Will it work? |
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Dan Ruddock keeps a Web Cam custom grind 86+5 to be used with 1.4 or 1.5 rockers. You might like that better, worth checking out at least. I'd change to cam with high 1.4+ ratio rockers if you are building it from scratch, it's better technology... so why not? At this point in time it would be very easy and inexpensive to change cams and get new rockers.
The 110 has a bad reputation generally. It's very "old school" _________________ 1967 Bug ( the daily rod )
1964 Fury Wagon ( the pavement shredder ) |
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allamaabroad Samba Member
Joined: September 22, 2016 Posts: 560
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: Will it work? |
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I'm building something very similar, 78.4 x 94, panchitos with CNC 68cc chambers, CB2288 (FK8), 1.4 rockers, TD04-13 turbo.
With stock heads cut to 94, at best you'll have 52cc chambers, which means runing a massive deck height (.105") to get yourself to a useable compression ratio for a turbo.
I would second getting panchitos, the optional 68cc chamber is perfect for this motor as it gives a compression ratio of 8.2-1 with a .040 deck. With B pistons and 5.5 rods you should be perfect. |
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clonebug Samba Member

Joined: January 29, 2005 Posts: 4130 Location: NW Washington
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:33 pm Post subject: Re: Will it work? |
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Mmmmmmm...turbo.....  _________________
| richardcraineum wrote: |
| I'm so ignorant of efi I don't even know the difference between batch, sequential blah blah blah .. |
| cbeck wrote: |
| His user name in a previous life was dick head. |
My Megasquirt Fuel Injection Turbo Buggy Build
Water/Alcohol Injection
Audi TT intercooler
Upgraded to MS3Pro-Evo
EcuMaster PMU16
ECUMaster ADU5 Digital Dash
http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=127936 |
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leec Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: Will it work? |
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I have a bit of a habit/addiction of buying high performance engine parts when they are at a good price. This enables me to trade up and purchase more expensive parts at a later date.
Didn't want to call it a sweep the floor motor as they are all nicely stored on racking rather than the floor
Thanks,
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BFB Samba Member

Joined: November 03, 2014 Posts: 3066
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:04 pm Post subject: Re: Will it work? |
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| leec wrote: |
Cool. Thank you all
What do you mean by a longer intake runner?
Lee |
he said larger, not longer.
and how does one collect enough performance parts to build a " sweep the floor" ( thats what its called, right? i partied a little to hardy and im a little more stupid today than usual) engine and then ask if it a good combo? usually guys that have shit like that sitting around have a few builds.. just sayin, not really any point to what im saying, just thought it seemed odd.
also, as builds progressed for me i understood why the guys say there's better choices out there than the 110. ive got one in my boosted 2021 , idle is fine but does seem a little harsher on the valve train than other cams ive used ESPECIALLY with ratio rockers _________________ "how am i supposed to torque the rear wheel nut to 250 ft lbs??? " - clonebug
An interesting thing happens in forums where everyone starts parroting the same thing and "common knowledge" takes over.
Most experts aren't. |
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leec Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:54 pm Post subject: Re: Will it work? |
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| I already have the straight cuts. Also have them in my race car motor and I love them |
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Glenn  Mr. 010

Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 80333 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: Will it work? |
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Don't waste your money on straight cut gears. Someone gave you poor advice. _________________ Glenn
74 Beetle Specs | 74 Beetle Restoration | 2180cc Engine
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עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי |
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