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AlteWagen Troll

Joined: February 23, 2007 Posts: 8695 Location: PNW
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2023 12:15 pm Post subject: Re: Blown Engine (1500cc Air Cooled) - Advice Needed |
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Dusty1 wrote: |
The guy I used to work for left a bad taste I haven't quite rinsed out and it's been around 20 years. His policy was to screw everyone equally. He screwed his customers. He screwed his employees. He screwed his vendors and he royally fudged his taxes. I quit and I'm not a quitter. I wasn't goin' to be a part of that.
He's still there. He still runs "a VW business".
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In the same boat here. After working at several VW shops it seems that is the way to do business. BITD I guess it was fine as there were millions of customers and thousands of shops you could afford to rip customers off with little consequence. I had my own parts business for a while and the margins were so thin I could not see how someone who was just selling parts could survive without being shady. I tried working for one more shop after I retired but it was even worse. I gave it a year but ethically I couldnt do it anymore, it was the first job I ever quit. The shop is still going today and is well known, taking advantage of what newbs are left.
These days with social media and the shrinking of the community the BS is easy to spot. Some vendors contribute on the forums which allow potential customers decide if they agree with their ''building theories" or lack there of. The internet also allowed customers to become educated more easily and know how to ask the right questions helping you decide what shops to trust.
While some say the internet killed the classic car industry, I think it just put the spot light on the roaches. _________________ Grapes of Wrath $200 Engine Rebuild
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earthquake Samba Member

Joined: January 10, 2008 Posts: 3996 Location: SANDY VALLEY, NEVADA
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2023 2:58 pm Post subject: Re: Blown Engine (1500cc Air Cooled) - Advice Needed |
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You guys call them holes! Let me show you how to make a hole...
the Dowel pins and fuel pump push rod were still good.
eQ _________________ 74 CLASS 11 LOOK-A-LIKE
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jimbabwe Samba Member

Joined: August 14, 2006 Posts: 25 Location: Ione, CA, USA
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2023 11:13 am Post subject: Re: Blown Engine (1500cc Air Cooled) - Advice Needed |
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mukluk, thank you. That is a very informative publication.
I will take your advice and first tear down the engine to see what's wrong.
Jim _________________ 1965 Microbus Kombi |
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mukluk Samba Member

Joined: October 18, 2012 Posts: 7452 Location: Clyde, TX
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 9:01 pm Post subject: Re: Blown Engine (1500cc Air Cooled) - Advice Needed |
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Don't take this as snub, but throwing parts at something that MIGHT be wrong is a bad way of approaching this. Pull the engine down and measure everything, then replace or refurbish what isn't in spec and keep what is in spec. That's the safe way to do it and you won't be sorry since you'll know things are good versus guessing.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/withoutguesswork.php _________________ 1960 Ragtop w/Semaphores "Inga" |
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jimbabwe Samba Member

Joined: August 14, 2006 Posts: 25 Location: Ione, CA, USA
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 8:51 pm Post subject: Re: Blown Engine (1500cc Air Cooled) - Advice Needed |
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Well, let me rephrase:
Assuming nothing is obviously broken, what should I replace? What do I not need to replace?
I will replace what MIGHT be wrong. In other words: safe not sorry. _________________ 1965 Microbus Kombi |
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mukluk Samba Member

Joined: October 18, 2012 Posts: 7452 Location: Clyde, TX
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 7:34 pm Post subject: Re: Blown Engine (1500cc Air Cooled) - Advice Needed |
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jimbabwe wrote: |
foxacoon and I both need engine repair. Each of us has a 1500.
foxacoon threw a rod, it seems.
I overheated, pulled over and while idling, the engine seized. The next day I was able to start it but it rattles like hell when either 1) at a constant speed or 2) accelerating or decelerating. I can't remember which, 'cause I haven't touched it in a few years.
Just for fun, I asked Chat-GPT. It tells me I have piston slap.
So, based on the cause and symptoms, what do I need to replace?
I have rebuilt a few 1500s but the last time I did it was 38 years ago.
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Moot point whether the noise is at a constant speed or during accel/decel since you're likely needing to tear the engine down for inspection either way since you seized it and now it's rattling. Gut feeling tells me you probably roasted a rod bearing, but nothing's for certain until you open it up and look. If you try to keep on keeping on with the idea it's just piston slap (unlikely), you too can have a thrown rod. _________________ 1960 Ragtop w/Semaphores "Inga" |
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Busstom Samba Member

Joined: November 23, 2014 Posts: 4579 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:56 pm Post subject: Re: Blown Engine (1500cc Air Cooled) - Advice Needed |
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I wish someone had done the same for me...I just want to prevent others from making the same mistake. |
If you'd posted here first with your intentions to buy that Brazilian, this whole forum would've done that for you.
But don't feel too bad about it, I'm thinking you still got a decent deal. Hell, the way I look at it, I expect every old VW I buy to need a completely new engine, after all, people don't usually sell "used" cars, they sell "used up" cars. I assume it's clapped out before I even take posession. _________________ My name's Steve and it's pronounced "Bust 'em" (cuz people think I'm Tom)
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PatJr Samba Member

Joined: August 09, 2010 Posts: 253 Location: earth
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: Blown Engine (1500cc Air Cooled) - Advice Needed |
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just since some of the posts were about pulling the motor
this fella pulls the motor and changes the clutch disk
in a undeveloped campground
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with a scissor jack
https://youtu.be/nzJ2xke41Y8
I thought is was amazing, and yes he got it all back together and running again in the campground _________________ #############################################
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jimbabwe Samba Member

Joined: August 14, 2006 Posts: 25 Location: Ione, CA, USA
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:28 pm Post subject: Re: Blown Engine (1500cc Air Cooled) - Advice Needed |
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foxacoon and I both need engine repair. Each of us has a 1500.
foxacoon threw a rod, it seems.
I overheated, pulled over and while idling, the engine seized. The next day I was able to start it but it rattles like hell when either 1) at a constant speed or 2) accelerating or decelerating. I can't remember which, 'cause I haven't touched it in a few years.
Just for fun, I asked Chat-GPT. It tells me I have piston slap.
So, based on the cause and symptoms, what do I need to replace?
I have rebuilt a few 1500s but the last time I did it was 38 years ago.
Thanks!
Jim _________________ 1965 Microbus Kombi |
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist

Joined: June 10, 2004 Posts: 13680 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2023 7:11 pm Post subject: Re: Blown Engine (1500cc Air Cooled) - Advice Needed |
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When I've purchased used VW's in my life, part of calculating what I think the VW is worth assumes it will need LOTS of maintenance and repairs to include the cost of me rebuilding the engine.
Every used VW I've bought in my life had been horribly neglected in regards to preventive maintenance. So, I won't trust the VW until I've gone through all the mechanicals. I won't go to far from home in it until I do.
Both my current bugs had engines that ran decent. But the previous owners didn't know the engines histories. So, out the engines came for a complete teardown and inspection. In both cases, the main bearings were worn out. The heads needed valve jobs, etc. I rebuilt both engines after having a machine shop do their part to the case, heads, crank, etc.
Both my bugs have now been fully mechanically overhauled. I have to trust my cars to get me from point A to point B with no drama. If I can't trust it, I won't drive it.
With that said, I will say that I admire some of the folks I've seen post the "will it make it home" threads on The Samba. This is where they buy an old VW and immediately drive it home, across the country, before it's mechanically inspected. Talk about adventurists! I don't think their success rate in doing that is that high. Nor is it that high on Youtube where some of those channel buy 50 year old, long parked cars and attempt to drive them home w/only light repairs. _________________ Contact me at [email protected]
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Dusty1 Samba Member
Joined: April 16, 2004 Posts: 2090
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2023 6:33 pm Post subject: Re: Blown Engine (1500cc Air Cooled) - Advice Needed |
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Splitting hairs here but if it was a total scam by definition your scammer would have all your money and you would have nothing. In other words busesnbugs would have grabbed your (estimated 20k) and delivered nothing.
Where I'm comin' from on this:
I had a yard full of VWs. I've owned over a hundred of 'em with as many as twenty on display at any time. Had a pretty good line of busses including a couple campers, a single cab, a double cab... you name it.
Got to be kind of a drag. "VW enthusiasts" would steal parts off 'em when I wasn't lookin'.
What comes around goes around, though. We used to drive a couple states over, track down a farmer who had a VW in his field and part it out if it was o.k.. One of the best part- outs was a pair of Pearl White "Herbies" in the woods in Southern Vermont. An old farmer wanted his 'n' hers cars when he was much younger. That's what he bought. Had a similar situation way up north. One of the first if not the first hippies to emigrate from NYC moved up near with Canadian border with his hippy goddess girlfriend. They grew apart rather than growing together. Al built her a cabin just far enough from his cabin. He bought his 'n' hers VWs, perhaps the first of numerous VWs that ended up on the property.
Point is people would ask me about my VWs.
"Do they all run?
I'd answer,
"Of course not!
I'm not Jay Leno. I can't afford to keep the tags and insurance up on twenty vehicles. More to the point, I would often remove motors to keep my hippy "friends" from removing them for me and still more to the point, I'm not going to wear out a motor that's "pickled" in a crate in the garage.
Didn't matter to me if my VWs ran. I always had a couple drivers. I always had a couple dozen good motors stashed here and there. I could always install a motor and make a non- runner into a runner.
Again, to the point. I don't know how many motors I've torn down. Likely over a thousand, maybe as many as three thousand, Couldn't tell you how many I've rebuilt over the years. Hundreds, surely.
Tellin' you that to tell you this:
Out of the thousands of motors I've torn down only a small minority were "exactly right". The "exactly right" ones were typically original low mileage motors that had never been messed with. Everything else ranged from not too bad to horrible. The most memorable "horrible" motor came out of a West Coast '68. I found most of the cylinder studs had pulled out of the case when I tore it down. The cheapo oil cooler seals had swelled shut. There was no flow through the oil cooler.
That one got the prize, "Most Memorable Turd". Still, I drove it for most of a summer before I decided I didn't have to put up with it. It ran stinkin' hot. I could hear the loose heads flappin'. It left a spreading pool of oil where ever I parked.
As stated in the math exercise above I reckon a presentable 23 window is worth $20k especially considering a woefully un- presentable 21 window project costs $20k, here. Hole in the motor? Not the end of the world.
"Do they all run?"
Yes, there exists a cottage industry ripping off VW enthusiasts. I can scroll through the Samba classifieds especially mechanical parts. There are plenty of vendors selling junk parts as if they're NOS.
That's a slap in the face to guys who sell honest parts and do an honest day's work.
The guy I used to work for left a bad taste I haven't quite rinsed out and it's been around 20 years. His policy was to screw everyone equally. He screwed his customers. He screwed his employees. He screwed his vendors and he royally fudged his taxes. I quit and I'm not a quitter. I wasn't goin' to be a part of that.
He's still there. He still runs "a VW business".
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94touring Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2020 Posts: 481 Location: Tulsa - OK
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2023 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: Blown Engine (1500cc Air Cooled) - Advice Needed |
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I bought from him and everything was as pictured. Not to rain on your parade, but as someone who has bought and sold a ton of used cars over 20 plus years, it's buyer beware and sold as is. Sometimes you get a lemon. Hell, I just bought a 70s mini pickup from a good buddy that turned out to be a complete rust bucket after tearing into it. |
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foxacoon Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2023 Posts: 22
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:25 pm Post subject: Re: Blown Engine (1500cc Air Cooled) - Advice Needed |
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bsairhead wrote: |
foxacoon wrote: |
The person I purchased this bus from was Gustavo Schmidt with Buses N Bugs (https://vwbusesnbugs.com/). He advertises on this site and should be banned to help prevent others from making the same mistake. Preserving the community and helping people is what it's all about and Gustavo counters those efforts.
He's refusing to respond and isn't willing to make things right. Buyers beware of this total scam. |
The first two words of the last sentence apply to you. |
I’m not the buyer anymore, so not really. I’m attempting to warn future buyers from making the same mistake with this specific vendor. I wish someone had done the same for me. I don’t mind taking responsibility here - I just want to prevent others from making the same mistake. Anyway - I’m moving on from this and will chalk it up as an expensive learning experience. |
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EVfun  Samba Member

Joined: April 01, 2012 Posts: 6131 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:05 pm Post subject: Re: Blown Engine (1500cc Air Cooled) - Advice Needed |
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The rules for seller responsibility in a used car sale vary around the country, I would bet they vary around the world even more. As a rule, I approach all private party car purchases as caveat emptor, also known as the 2 part warranty (if it breaks you get to keep both parts). The exception would be if the pictures or information you received is NOT from the car you are buying, but proving that would be the issue.
Buses are hot now and yours looks nice. If it's solid it is time for a new engine, and move forward. It sucks, over the last 40 years of VW ownership I've been burned by that bad "good" engine too. These things have an antique engine design with a short life by modern standards. Oh, and even if the engine doesn't blow, these old cars are not very safe. I think VW tried, but "tried" -- within the expectations of a bygone era. By modern standards they are good way to get yourself killed. _________________
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bsairhead Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2008 Posts: 4465 Location: viroqua wi.
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: Blown Engine (1500cc Air Cooled) - Advice Needed |
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foxacoon wrote: |
The person I purchased this bus from was Gustavo Schmidt with Buses N Bugs (https://vwbusesnbugs.com/). He advertises on this site and should be banned to help prevent others from making the same mistake. Preserving the community and helping people is what it's all about and Gustavo counters those efforts.
He's refusing to respond and isn't willing to make things right. Buyers beware of this total scam. |
The first two words of the last sentence apply to you. |
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oprn Samba Member

Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 14709 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2023 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: Blown Engine (1500cc Air Cooled) - Advice Needed |
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Dad's had a bumper and a trailer hitch that went forward and tied into the body ahead of the front transaxle mount. That was 6 bolts plus the 4 bolts and 2 screws for the rear pan. Then there was the body mounted full flow oil filter and the rear pan mounted oil cooler that had to come off. _________________ Our cars get old, we get old but driving an old VW never gets old! |
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foxacoon Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2023 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: Blown Engine (1500cc Air Cooled) - Advice Needed |
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The person I purchased this bus from was Gustavo Schmidt with Buses N Bugs (https://vwbusesnbugs.com/). He advertises on this site and should be banned to help prevent others from making the same mistake. Preserving the community and helping people is what it's all about and Gustavo counters those efforts.
He's refusing to respond and isn't willing to make things right. Buyers beware of this total scam. |
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94touring Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2020 Posts: 481 Location: Tulsa - OK
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2023 8:37 am Post subject: Re: Blown Engine (1500cc Air Cooled) - Advice Needed |
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If your Brazilian is anything like mine, the body is solid but there will be some mechanical bodgery. Obviously just looking at your engine pics. The paint job on mine wasn't the hottest either but gave me a nice canvas to respray since I do my own paint jobs. As I said earlier this is a great opportunity to go bigger. I cruised 13k+ miles doing 4 or 5 cross country drives with the 2110 I tossed in. Had I done it over I would have gone with the TW 92s and better flowing heads from the start, and more carefully gone over details with the engine builder. When I pulled it out to redo some things I found the deck height to be huge and compression specs were lower than quoted. Live and learn. I needed an external cooler with mine and also welded in place my own custom flaps to direct air properly over the heads. There's a guy who sells fixed position flaps now that I could have just bought and bolted in. You may only need to stick with a 1776-1835cc or so depending what your goals are. I pull gear up mountains and cruise at 70, and it runs cool! Oil and head temp gauge verified. |
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Dusty1 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2023 6:29 am Post subject: Re: Blown Engine (1500cc Air Cooled) - Advice Needed |
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oprn wrote: |
Dusty1 wrote: |
If we got back to your place with any daylight left... you would be shocked how quickly we can swap a VW motor.
We used to do it in a few minutes at VW shows just for fun. |
It was down to about 2.5 minutes as I recall, 2 guys, a floor jack and jack stands. That was from running to out and 30 feet away was it? Then back in and running again. Beetle of course, a Bus would take a bit longer. Dad had it down to 20 minutes doing it on his own on his '69 Bay Window. |
I have literally swapped VW motors on the side of the road.
Should be quicker in a Bus. The rear tin is removable. Should be almost as quick as a Baja.
No rear tin in the way, don't have to drag it 30 feet out and back... I reckon we could do it in two minutes with a beverage in one hand.
I built up my "spare" motor with an early 40 horse shroud and "J" tubes. No heater hoses to mess with. Less weight without the heater boxes.
If I get another Bus I'm going to carry a spare long block with me.
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As for the safety concern. I don't understand that at all. In my view if we were really anal about safety then we would not be driving these 50 year old cars. If I may say so without offending the OP here it was safer parked in the ditch than on the road driving in today's traffic and... it's not like you would ever freeze to death in your part of the country waiting for help judging by the pictures. That is the real safety concern in my part of the world at this time of the year! Our neighbor's daughter got stuck in a snow drift on her way home from a party in the wee hours of the morning. Someone just happened by and picked her up and took her to the hospital. She spent 3 months in there trying to save her frozen hands and feet, several amputations... The general consensus was that another few minutes and she would have been dead. |
That's horrible.
I was comin' from Fran the Famous Rock Star's Party Like a Rock Star New Year's party around ten years ago. No, really! He's a famous rock star. He has three cribs, one way up in New England, another one (nominally) in Boston and yet another one near the northern Gulf Coast of Florida. Fran's big hideaway is way back in the woods off a web of dirt roads. Great place for your GPS to get you lost and stuck! Anyway, I was a couple miles down the road from Fran's place after the party. There was a Jeep off the road in the middle of the triangular intersection of three roads. They had left another party, overcooked the corner and went off the road. Their Grand Cherokee hadn't gone over, it just tipped enough the fuel pump wouldn't pick up any fuel. No fuel, no heat. The lady was walkin' around in the middle of the dirt road in her high heels and itty- bitty black party dress.
In a whole lotta snow and near zero temperatures.
Of course I stopped.
I got a heater in my truck. I had most of a tank of gas.
They had come from Hell and Gone on the other side of the mountain. So we headed over the mountain towards Hell and Gone. We ended up in the ditch just before sunup. Got a heater in my truck, right? Didn't have to wait long. The plow pulled us out. Couldn't get by on the cowpath we were on with us in the way.
The sun was fully up by the time I dropped them off at their place.
Ran into 'em in a local convenience store a few days later. They asked,
"Do you know where our Jeep is?"
And they all lived happily ever after
After I drove them and their gas can ten miles back to their Jeep.
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Yes find or build another engine, get right back on the horse that bucked you off. That was an unfortunate set back but you have a chance now to correct a few things that are wrong and make it much more dependable. In that vain, treat it to a full flow filter, the rest of the missing engine tins and flaps, a remote cooler is a worthwhile addition to a Bus too if you are trying to keep up with the traffic. Scrap the heavy oil mentality especially on a new engine, they run cooler on regular oil. |
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oprn Samba Member

Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 14709 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2023 5:23 am Post subject: Re: Blown Engine (1500cc Air Cooled) - Advice Needed |
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Dusty1 wrote: |
If we got back to your place with any daylight left... you would be shocked how quickly we can swap a VW motor.
We used to do it in a few minutes at VW shows just for fun. |
It was down to about 2.5 minutes as I recall, 2 guys, a floor jack and jack stands. That was from running to out and 30 feet away was it? Then back in and running again. Beetle of course, a Bus would take a bit longer. Dad had it down to 20 minutes doing it on his own on his '69 Bay Window.
As for the safety concern. I don't understand that at all. In my view if we were really anal about safety then we would not be driving these 50 year old cars. If I may say so without offending the OP here it was safer parked in the ditch than on the road driving in today's traffic and... it's not like you would ever freeze to death in your part of the country waiting for help judging by the pictures. That is the real safety concern in my part of the world at this time of the year! Our neighbor's daughter got stuck in a snow drift on her way home from a party in the wee hours of the morning. Someone just happened by and picked her up and took her to the hospital. She spent 3 months in there trying to save her frozen hands and feet, several amputations... The general consensus was that another few minutes and she would have been dead.
Yes find or build another engine, get right back on the horse that bucked you off. That was an unfortunate set back but you have a chance now to correct a few things that are wrong and make it much more dependable. In that vain, treat it to a full flow filter, the rest of the missing engine tins and flaps, a remote cooler is a worthwhile addition to a Bus too if you are trying to keep up with the traffic. Scrap the heavy oil mentality especially on a new engine, they run cooler on regular oil. _________________ Our cars get old, we get old but driving an old VW never gets old! |
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