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jehugarcia
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I think the subtext here is that Lind may not actually have the money to refund at this point, so I don't see this going well. Of course I don't know this for sure, but I am honestly looking for explanations for this kind of behavior. This is not sounding at all like the guy I met ten years ago, so maybe he's somehow painted himself into a corner.
If there wasn't an agreement for the additional work - if the buyer had every right to believe that he was already paid in full and was just waiting for the finished car - then there really isn't much room for argument here as to who is in the right.
Lind: this really isn't going well for your future in VW's. People have long memories and this seems like a particularly self-destructive course of action.
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yup, the problem is he is not saying that, or anything, and he's let so much time pass by with empty promises that his customer no longer wants to hear the reasons why he is not able to deliver.
Problem is the more time he lets pass by without a resolution, the less options available.
Last week he could have delivered the car, some terms were still open for discussion.
This week he can just write a check returning the money
Next week it might be time for a court to be involved
Just how far he is willing to let this go is to be seen. |
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53 0val
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| Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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This thing has gone from weird to stupid. Shit or get off the 'pot' Lind!! Somebody needs to get a sack of Idaho potatoes and a big ass baseball bat and start practicing their swing. You can't teach stupid, but you can make it hurt until it wants to avoid the pain of being ignorant.
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gabvwkey
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| Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| This thing has gone from weird to stupid. Shit or get off the 'pot' Lind!! Somebody needs to get a sack of Idaho potatoes and a big ass baseball bat and start practicing their swing. You can't teach stupid, but you can make it hurt until it wants to avoid the pain of being ignorant. |
He went into hiding again! I guess this are the "headaches" he was talking about!
The VW community has spoken and is waiting for your answer Lind, we are NOT going to go away! |
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Mike Fisher
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| Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 8:37 am Post subject: |
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Meet up 1/2 way and transfer the Bug to it's rightful owner with no more money changing hands.
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Keoki
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| Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:05 am Post subject: |
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| Mike Fisher wrote: |
| Meet up 1/2 way and transfer the Bug to it's rightful owner with no more money changing hands. |
Can't be trusted & to many things have gone wrong @ this point....!!
Take the CASH (IMO)...!!
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jimmy1
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| Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:20 am Post subject: |
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At this point..since the agreement did not meet by the seller..I strongly suggest get all your money back..one yr of this is way too long. I wish I had your patence. =)
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bugnut68
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| Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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first off, I hate arguing on the internet, as it is just a headache for all involved.
second, I have been really slow on this. the beetle was not my main priority, and I had other things that have been more important to me at the time. that is my fault, and I am sorry.
basically, what gabriel has told me is that since I have taken so long, I have to give away all my labor so far, and deliver the car to them for free or they will trash me on this forum. so I have the choice of being blackmailed for a couple grand, or dealing with this. I don't know which is worse. I was willing to give (and still am) a steep discount on the number of hours I have into the car due to the untimelyness of the whole thing, but that isn't enough.
I didn't sell the car on thesamba, but this is where they blackmail me...
they are welcome to pay their bill and come get the car, or have it shipped. I will not give up all my labor and investment to this point for free. sorry. |
The minute you received dollar one (whatever the payments happened to be), this guy should have moved up your priority list. I would raging pissed if somebody strung me along for that many months, especially if they had my money AND the car I paid for in their possession.
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Yustrn
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| Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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Under 5k=Small Claims Court..so no lawyers...even if they win they case nothing makes someone pay unfortunately.
Best thing to do is to call Judge Judy, if your willing to go on TV they will pay you out if you win the case, plus you get national media attention. (just saying)
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Bugman6572
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I believe the car or the cash should be given to Misa, whether Lind has either to give him has yet to be seen. I am starting to think the car is not in Linds possession anymore. If he still had the car why wasn't it delivered the last time when it should have been delivered finished or not?
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Zeen
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| Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 8:06 pm Post subject: Re: My Response to Lind's Email! |
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| Lind wrote: |
I will only charge for 30 hours of it though. also $130 in parts. so the total is $1480. |
Let's assume the starting price of $2000 was fair, and your 30 hours of labor and $130 in parts added some value to the car. Add those together, subtract the value of your reputation, and make your customer an offer. This is not rocket science.
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gabvwkey
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| Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:03 pm Post subject: Re: My Response to Lind's Email! |
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| Lind wrote: |
I will only charge for 30 hours of it though. also $130 in parts. so the total is $1480. |
Let's assume the starting price of $2000 was fair, and your 30 hours of labor and $130 in parts added some value to the car. Add those together, subtract the value of your reputation, and make your customer an offer. This is not rocket science. |
Bug price was $2000.00 Misa sent a check for that, then Lind sent a detailed invoiced of what it would cost to get it running $1200 Misa send that check as well! Lind is asking for an additional 30 hrs /$1480.00 for who knows what? Never discussed, never agreed!  |
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Major Woody
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| Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:23 pm Post subject: Re: My Response to Lind's Email! |
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| gabvwkey wrote: |
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| Lind wrote: |
I will only charge for 30 hours of it though. also $130 in parts. so the total is $1480. |
Let's assume the starting price of $2000 was fair, and your 30 hours of labor and $130 in parts added some value to the car. Add those together, subtract the value of your reputation, and make your customer an offer. This is not rocket science. |
Bug price was $2000.00 Misa sent a check for that, then Lind sent a detailed invoiced of what it would cost to get it running $1200 Misa send that check as well! Lind is asking for an additional 30 hrs /$1480.00 for who knows what? Never discussed, never agreed! |
Oh wow, I guess I was not reading very well. This was unclear to me. $2680 in labor is well above what you documented here in the way of labor to get it roadworthy. It may have needed that work, but it seems to me that it's not owed without clear written communication as the bills were incurred as to what was being done. Just get your refund and walk away. |
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gabvwkey
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| Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:38 pm Post subject: Re: My Response to Lind's Email! |
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| Major Woody wrote: |
| gabvwkey wrote: |
| Zeen wrote: |
| Lind wrote: |
I will only charge for 30 hours of it though. also $130 in parts. so the total is $1480. |
Let's assume the starting price of $2000 was fair, and your 30 hours of labor and $130 in parts added some value to the car. Add those together, subtract the value of your reputation, and make your customer an offer. This is not rocket science. |
Bug price was $2000.00 Misa sent a check for that, then Lind sent a detailed invoiced of what it would cost to get it running $1200 Misa send that check as well! Lind is asking for an additional 30 hrs /$1480.00 for who knows what? Never discussed, never agreed! |
Oh wow, I guess I was not reading very well. This was unclear to me. $2680 in labor is well above what you documented here in the way of labor to get it roadworthy. It may have needed that work, but it seems to me that it's not owed without clear written communication as the bills were incurred as to what was being done. [b]Just get your refund and walk away.[/b] |
Yeah, that's what we intend to do.
Lind was the one that wrote the estimate, he is the one that charge $1200 Misa agreed to it and did not nickel and dime him, but after a whole year of waiting, and empty promises Misa is done waiting!
Problem is Lind think that he's gonna be able to keep the car and the money, and still walk away with his reputation intact, and that's just not going to happen, this bad deal will follow him for a long time, the more time he let pass, the more people will become aware of his bad business practices, sadly some folks that should be posting here are not, I wonder why?
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bugnut68
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| Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 12:48 pm Post subject: Re: My Response to Lind's Email! |
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| gabvwkey wrote: |
| Major Woody wrote: |
| gabvwkey wrote: |
| Zeen wrote: |
| Lind wrote: |
I will only charge for 30 hours of it though. also $130 in parts. so the total is $1480. |
Let's assume the starting price of $2000 was fair, and your 30 hours of labor and $130 in parts added some value to the car. Add those together, subtract the value of your reputation, and make your customer an offer. This is not rocket science. |
Bug price was $2000.00 Misa sent a check for that, then Lind sent a detailed invoiced of what it would cost to get it running $1200 Misa send that check as well! Lind is asking for an additional 30 hrs /$1480.00 for who knows what? Never discussed, never agreed! |
Oh wow, I guess I was not reading very well. This was unclear to me. $2680 in labor is well above what you documented here in the way of labor to get it roadworthy. It may have needed that work, but it seems to me that it's not owed without clear written communication as the bills were incurred as to what was being done. [b]Just get your refund and walk away.[/b] |
Yeah, that's what we intend to do.
Lind was the one that wrote the estimate, he is the one that charge $1200 Misa agreed to it and did not nickel and dime him, but after a whole year of waiting, and empty promises Misa is done waiting!
Problem is Lind think that he's gonna be able to keep the car and the money, and still walk away with his reputation intact, and that's just not going to happen, this bad deal will follow him for a long time, the more time he let pass, the more people will become aware of his bad business practices, sadly some folks that should be posting here are not, I wonder why?
Friends is friends, but, when you are wrong you are wrong, and a good friend shouldn't be afraid to tell you to do the right thing! |
Almost makes me think it would be worth the plane ticket to fly up to his turf and confront him directly... appears he suffers from DGAS (Don't Give a Sh*t) syndrome online, judging by what's been seen here so far. |
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jehugarcia
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| Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:25 am Post subject: Re: My Response to Lind's Email! |
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appears he suffers from DGAS (Don't Give a Sh*t) syndrome online, judging by what's been seen here so far. |
It would seem so, I asked Misa, he said as of yesterday he had not heard from Lind, It really doesn't seem like he has any intention of taking care of this. |
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Jimmy Perez
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| Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:35 am Post subject: |
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Lind you need to do whats right even if you lose out, this is a no brainer. Gabriel is always been straight guy so no way would he try to blackmail you or blemish your reputation. You need to fix this and move on even if you lose, you have car and can resell for your time and work. Hey Everett, Whats your thoughts, I like Lind but he needs to make this right and move on as this is not good for all VW enthusiast his reputation. Peace fix it.
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vwfanatic67
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| Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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why is it so hard to just refund your money and list the car on here for 4680 like he trying to collect. If he has done all that work the car should bring that. Sounds like he doesnt have it. This tread is going to make that harder to do for him when or if it does get resolved.
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hugheseum
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| Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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a old buddy made me read this feedback thread.........all i can write is "damn"..........somebody (lind) needs to admit they fucked up...........shelf the ever growing egomania for a moment and start making the money to pay back this poor kid..........i cannot see any grey area here,its too bad he let it get this out of control
if this were my problem,i would have already made a nice surprise visit to taterland..........and gotten my money/compensation
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jkolak
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| Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Lind is severely lacking in damage control. If he would have come forward immediately after the first post with a good explanation, a sincere apology, and immediately taken care of the customer, he could have preserved his reputation. By ignoring this thread and letting it go on for days and days, it has changed his feedback thread. It used to be about 2 pages with mostly positive and some negative remarks, but now it is 4 pages with 2 pages against him on this one issue. This issue has effectively ended Lind's ability to do business on The Samba. Local Idaho victims be pitied. |
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Lee.
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