Got Burnt by JORDON CYR / VW ADDICT / parts4yourvw

[Envious]

I emailed Jordan about a pair of used bias ply white wall tires. Looking at the photos in the ad I had some concerns about the side walls. They looked to be either dirty or cracked (dried out). They are used so I'm not expecting perfect tread by any stretch but I'm not interested at all if they're cracked. In my email I asked straight up in my first sentence "Are they just dirty in the pictures or are the side walls cracked and stained?" fair enough question for used tires. His response was "Just dirt, in the garage, sorry. No cracks"

Since the tires were not checked, I asked for a quote on shipping. First quote came back at $80 so I passed. He then came back with "Tell you what. I will box them and bring them to the PO Tue. I will see what happens and get a exact quote. followed by "I found out some good news. I can ship it for $45.86."

I agreed and the deal is done.

The tires showed up today. Shipping was only $29 and this is how they looked.

Jordan's response when I emailed him

[EverettB]

Those tires are garbage, they should be in the trash.

I would like to know how he shipped 2 tires to Canada for $29?

Jordan, your rep is getting worse every day. You need to take care of these problems or stop selling on the site.

[VW Addict]

1.) I don't think those are my tires. I sold him white walls.
2.) Offered buyer complete refund, refused.
3.) I shipped them USPS, where did $29 come in?
4.) I wouldn't have sold him no good tires, I would have thrown them away. I sold some tires that were WHITEWALLS that were in pretty decent shape and the buyer knew what he was getting for $30 pair of 1970's tires. He expected them to be as good as his $1000.00 pair of tires he was telling me about in emails earlier.

[Gary]

I have been following the many sprouting threads of VW Addict and have made the following observations:

1) He has had more positive feedback than negative
2) His detractors have made assumptions rather than pushing for clarification of the product, whereby they feel cheated
3) One party complained about his dealings at one time, got it resolved, only to order again and post ANOTHER complaint

This last dealing should be easy to resolve if Addict can provide photographs of what was shipped.

My advice for Addict is to suspend all sales on this site for at least a month. Perhaps resuming in April when he has cleared out all of the "bad" and had time to evaluate where to begin selling again. Some of these complaints seem to be sprouting just to the sake of sprouting. If Addict is right, and the last buyer refused a refund, then IMHO the complainer has zero grounds for recourse.
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[Envious]

I can't believe you won't admit you're wrong. I have prove these are the tires you sent me??? OK here we go.

[Gary]

Well, the proof appears to be in the pudding; however, I've never understood why anyone would buy used tires. I guess I'm funny that way
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West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943)

[Envious]

Icy,

Thanks for your input. I agree with you on all points. Your second point is exactly where I stand though.

[Tram]

Jordan, I almost choked on my coffee over the "Not my tires, I sold him whitewalls" line. To my knowledge, they NEVER made a tire that was whitewall on both sides! Freakin' come on! You sold SCRAP and were gambling that Envious wouldn't know it. You need to tweak your business model a little, my friend. Look, you're only human, and humans can make mistakes. I've done it on eBay more than once, and I made it good INCLUDING ALL SHIPPING when I did. It will ALWAYS cost you more to argue than it will to make it right in the long run. I agree with Icy. You need to back off and take care of your problems. I'm sure you're not really a totally bad seller, but unfortunately COMPLAINTS are always going to be louder than COMPLIMENTS, but every complaint presents an opportunity to be turned into a compliment. It's up to you now. As Will Rogers said: If you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING."
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[Larry Hull]

How many sellers give items away for free like Jordan has many times? I suppose the next problem for Jordan will be some person will receive somthing for free and bitch because the cost of shipping was to high.

[Envious]

[VW Addict]

[Glenn]

First of all tires with cracks like that are UNSAFE. You should never of sold those tires. And in New York State a car would fail it's state Safety inspection if it had those tires on it.

[Envious]

Actually you didn't reply to my last email.

YES! I'VE ADDMITTED IT FROM MY FIRST POST YOU DID OFFER ME A FULL REFUND IF I PAY TO SHIP THEM BACK.

Not gonna happen. Your fault. You pay to ship them back. WHY SHOULD I BE OUT A DIME OVER THIS. In my last email to you I actually offered to pay half of the return shipping "to make this go away" Remember that. That's the email you didn't reply to.

It would be cheaper to refund my money and let me throw them out. I'm sure as hell not going to drive on them. My cars are worth too much to risk that.

Now about the duct tape....

THE F'ING POSTAGE AND MAILING LABEL ARE ON TOP OF THE DUCT TAPE!!! OF COURSE YOU TAPED THEM UP LIKE THAT.

How do you keep coming up with this stuff?

Unless, that is, you now claim that not only are these not the tires that you shipped me (your's were white walls right?), but somebody took them out of the handmade box that cost me $11, duct taped them together, peeled the mailing label and postage off of your handmade box, and put them over the duct tape.

If that turns out to be the case, my sincere apologies.

Read the thread and look at the pics from top to bottom. You lost this arguement.
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71 Type 1302 Custom
64 Type 151
63 Type 117 L469 Anthracite
64 Type 361 L575 Nutria
64 Porsche 356c
56 Type 113 L227 Strato Silver
52 BSA C11G
59 Heilite Single Wheel Camping Trailer
56 Allstate Single Wheel
84 Vanagon Westfalia
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=388225

[Tram]

[Envious]

tramandbixrule, I'll get those quotes for you.

Here's where I expressed my expetations for the used tires:

[Barter_Builder]

A while back Envious sold me a thule roof rack, in the process of the transaction another guy in canada was selling some interior and some license plate frames but could not get a good shipping price. Envious was willing to send the interior and license plate frames with the rack. Well it unexpectedly cost more than he initially thought but payed for it anyway out his pocket without even charging me a dime. I think he made next to nothing selling me the rack not to mention the time he took to meet the other guy to get my stuff. Now if that is not a stand up guy I don't know what is. Thanks again Envious,I have not been able to thank you for a while since I did not have internet access for a few months. Thanks again bro! This hobby wouldn't be the way it is without guys like you.

[VW Addict]

Envious,

Your going to get caught in the lie sooner or later --- I never use duct tape, I don't even have any duct tape. I boxed them. Made a f**cking box, and put them in. You duct taped them. Plus, you took pictures of them with the duct tape off -- days ago, THINK ABOUT THAT...
I didn't duct tape them, plus DO YOU KNOW HOW STUPID THAT LOOKS?
K, offered my refund. Also - Let me ask you a question. I bought some running boards from the real source. I got flat ones and ordered louvered. I have to send the flat ones back, and they are sending the louvered ones. Guess what-- I aint bitching. I took pictures of those tires when I sold them. The only "cracks" on the tires are on the back, which I didn't even think f**cking matted since they didn't leak DROP OF AIR and let alone they are on the backside... Oh Well. I will just have to buy $1000.00 pair of tires. I could have gave you the tires and paid for shipping, you would still have something to complain about.
And for you people saying I have more negitives - no. Thats not it, its the people I deal with and how many at that. MOST of my TRANSACTIONS don't even leave feedback.
Oh and do the math -- 98.8% feedback on ebay, with 1100 positives and a rating of 98.8.

Whatever----

[Envious]

You're offereing a full refund. I'm taking it. $100 ($70 + return shipping). You've got my email address. I accept Paypal and I'll cover the fees.

I've never taken a picture without the duct tape because they're still taped together in my garage!!

The first pics I sent you via email were close ups of the cracks. Here's one of them. You can see the tape on the side. Check your email. This is the same pic.

If you wait I'll go take a picture with a time stamp. What you see in these pics is what showed up at my door. The address label and postage are still on there.

Here they are again if you missed it the first time.

You'll notice the labels on top of the tape.
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71 Type 1302 Custom
64 Type 151
63 Type 117 L469 Anthracite
64 Type 361 L575 Nutria
64 Porsche 356c
56 Type 113 L227 Strato Silver
52 BSA C11G
59 Heilite Single Wheel Camping Trailer
56 Allstate Single Wheel
84 Vanagon Westfalia
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=388225

[Tram]

So...you ADMIT they were cracked, Jordan.... and you say that ENVIOUS will get caught in "the lie".
Envious, good job of pre- lying for Jordan!
Jordan, the issue here isn't eBay. You might be the best seller on Earth.
But here, you screwed up! Nobody gives a rip about all of your other dealings. This is about the CRACKED TIRES you LIED to a fellow Sambanista about.
First you said the tires weren't cracked. YOU lied to make the sale. You just admitted that!
But that's OK, because they're only cracked on the back???!!!
I've got some flat tires for sale. Does that mean it's OK for me to sell them as not flat? After all, they're ONLY flat on the BOTTOM.

I sincerely cannot believe what I just read.
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[Envious]