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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2005 8:10 pm    Post subject: Real westfalia wood LIMBA Reply with quote

for all that want LIMBA

http://www.interplac.de/english/Pages/Limba.html this shows what the real westfali wood look like

http://www.billkraemerveneers.com/products.html they have it and cn make paneal in any size . if you are on the eastcoast and want to go in on a largeer order to save let me know. i think if you just want the venear is cheap to ship but large playwood panels Like the drivers side could cost a lot to ship.

Early westfalia used the more pricey Quartersawn limba venear while later used but not always spiral cut limba venear the diffrence is the eary type has that cool ribbon like patern while the spiral is more borring looking like birch. But birch dos'nt have that yellow tone.
I think spril cut Limba is hard to find as most shops sell the better Quartersawn veaner.

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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for posting that info- cool to know- i believe that this wood originates form africa and is considered an "extoci wood" which probably means it has an exostic price to go with it (not to mention you would prolly need to buy enough to outfit 10 westy's for most suppliers to be remotely interested)- still very helpful though- i wonder is so23westfalia.com alex is listening??
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I told so23westfalia.com alex about the Limba wood.
I am going to get back to him about some other stuff also . I havent yet as I have that bus gean which makes one lazy , put stuff off as well as being cheap.
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the bus gene that make one lazy? naw, you are too hard on yourself..
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim, do any other Westy brochures (aside from the '58 brochure) state that they use Limba plywood?
Any chance I can get you to mail me out a sample to compare to the stuff in my '56?
I'm ready to cut some new wood interior panels for my bus right now.....although I can probably find a source for Limba (if it matches my original stuff) here on the left coast.
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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2005 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Capingbox,
After playing with more early westfalia panels from 55 to 82 . All were LIMBA. Once you know the wood its easy to tell, it has it own smell and the grain and color is yelow not white like birch.
I think only the 58 mentions the wood.
I took some roof panesl out of a 64 westfalia and the back was a perfect match for my 57 camping trailer it was the same color with Quatersawn grain.
For your early campers you want the quater sawn Limba venear.
Quater sawn is how the wood is cut from the log its the most wastfull way.
They cut the log in quaters then slice the venear along the grain, this way has the best looking grain. later westfalia started to use the cheaper spiral cut. sprial is cut by spinging the log and has very big wide veanr with out much patern to it.
You should be able to find a Plywood mamufacter out your way that can make it.
I spent 3 days last year on the net looking and only found the one in USA that has it in stock and would make me any size panel with the grain in the right direction. They did send me a 8 foot by 12 " sample which uis dead on match to my 55 and 57 and 59 campers. If you email them they will send you a large sample . Just tell them you want a lot to make it worth there time.
Limba is very comomon in Germay as a plywood thats why they use it.
I think birch only comes from the us canada and russia in large numbers and germany and Russia wernt getting along back in the day so westfalia never use the cheap birch which grays real easy when water and sun come in to play.
Get the right wood for your real cool Westfalia LIMBA!
Did you see the link with pics it show a good example of the wood with that ribbion like grain
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2005 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the info on the Limba. Most of my panels in my 1960 SO-23 are in very good to excellent shape, but the sub hatch panel and the roof panel that goes around the subhatch have quite a bit of water damage. The veneer is coming away from the backing. Mostly coming away in the narrow area between roof vent and sub hatch. Is it possible to splice a piece of veneer in there or should I just get a new piece of limba veneer and cut whole panel to fit. It does not show that area in picture, but can see some water damage. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_cat.php?cat_id=8
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2005 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me I like to keep it as orig as posible. If you can live with the small water stain I would leave it alone but make sure the leak is fixed and or keep it out of the rain. you could also try some wood bleach that might remove some of the stain.
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2005 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Me I like to keep it as orig as posible. If you can live with the small water stain I would leave it alone but make sure the leak is fixed and or keep it out of the rain. you could also try some wood bleach that might remove some of the stain.


I probably should have left it alone, but when I was removing all the panels the narrow part between the vent delaminated and the veneer just fell off if pieces. I saved the pieces and was going to try to reglue, but it might not work. I thought maybe a could graff a piece of veneer in that section.

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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2005 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

surferbus wrote:
Thanks for the info on the Limba. Most of my panels in my 1960 SO-23 are in very good to excellent shape, but the sub hatch panel and the roof panel that goes around the subhatch have quite a bit of water damage. The veneer is coming away from the backing. Mostly coming away in the narrow area between roof vent and sub hatch. Is it possible to splice a piece of veneer in there or should I just get a new piece of limba veneer and cut whole panel to fit. It does not show that area in picture, but can see some water damage. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_cat.php?cat_id=8
Thanks,

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I'd leave those panels alone. It's only original once.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:15 am    Post subject: westy flooring Reply with quote

hey all- any thoughts on how close african avodire is to the LIMBA veneer that has been referred to previously??

here are some pics of what it looks like

http://www.hobbithouseinc.com/personal/woodpics/avodire.htm
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

so Jim, please explain these. these are actual pics from genuine Westfalia literature. 2 are from flipseat brochures, one is from an so-42 & so-44 (1965) brochure, one from a 67 so-42 brochure.
both so-23 pieces i have only mention "attractive, light colored wood".

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dont think the wood was either limba or birch.....i always heard it was morning!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i dont think the wood was either limba or birch.....i always heard it was morning!


well, Westfalia had that covered too. even thought of a 4-some! Shocked



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"living-cum-workroom" hmm mebbe it is a literal translation from german or bob guccione was moonlighting writing westy brochures

time for me to "getalit" (life)
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 58 Broucher mentions Limba plywood as the wood used.
All my westfalias from 55 to even the 80's have limba ply wood in them.
The two flip seats that I have check out close up were the same wood.
Its like once you Know what it looks like and have worked a lot with it from veanear to stripping and sanding the wood ect. you can tell a mile away if it limba.
Not sure why a brocher would say birch maybe the broucher was not done by westfalia but out of house.
They might have cared more in the 50,s to get the wood used right.
Ill I know is the wood was used uop into the vanagons.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have some roof wood panels I pulled out of a early bay (68-71) The grain pattern is amazingly close to some birch that I have. The wood pannelling I have seen in some 50s westys looks different.

I am not sure I agree with your yellow/ vs white description though. Its more in the grain style I see the difference. But I see one brouchure saying limba for the cabinets, and 4 mentions of birch for the panels... hm...
did you look at the 65-early 70s westys ?

If the vanagon westys used the limba, maybe I should look at their interior panels in junkyards.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The 58 Broucher mentions Limba plywood as the wood used.
All my westfalias from 55 to even the 80's have limba ply wood in them.

Not sure why a brocher would say birch maybe the broucher was not done by westfalia but out of house.


yes, the 58 brochure does mention Limba.
i find it real hard to believe that all the rest of the camping equipment and cabinet materials described in the later brochures are pretty much dead right in their descriptions, yet somehow, some alien came down and for years, repeatedly told them to write "birch" instead of "limba", and that's the only thing that's inaccurate. yeah, it's a Westfalia conspiracy.Rolling Eyes
bring your 56 westy to litchfield so i can inspect it closer (or what will be your excuse this year???), and i'll bring those "out of house" brochures for you to look at.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

later Westfalia did used spril cut limba instead of the more costly quater cut.
In Germany Limba is a very very comon plywood but pretty rare in the US
I found on the back of a 67 roof panel mint quater sawn Limba grain, the out side was spiral (which has a birch look but a more open grain.
I end up useing this panel in my 57 Camping trailer and it was a perfect match to the orig paneling.
Another test is Limba has a unique smell when sanded once you know it its easy to tell.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

not to beat this to death but here in NA Baltic Birch goes for about $20/ for a 5' x5' sheet- LIMBA is an exotic wood and commands $$$ and most exotic wood places are not terribly interested in small time orders that a westy would require- especially making the "correct" five and a half (or so) foot long drivers side panel with the grain running horizontally- i opted for baltic birch for just those reasons
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