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drumbum68 Samba Member
Joined: October 15, 2010 Posts: 566
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:13 am Post subject: Re: Idle Control Module issue (high idle) & cheap fix |
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While in there, those electrolytic capacitors should be changed. |
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shagginwagon83 Samba Member
Joined: February 07, 2016 Posts: 3800 Location: VA/TN
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:23 am Post subject: Re: Idle Control Module issue (high idle) & cheap fix |
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My idle control unit on my Digijet was causing intermittent starting issues.
I talked to a professor at school and he thinks I could get away with maybe just eliminating the burnt caps and just running wires as the values of those resistors are unknown.
Regardless, Van Cafe sold me one (last year) for $30. Van has never gave me any issues since.
_________________ Brandon
"Jo Ann" - '83.5 Westfalia EJ22e w/Peloquin
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OldBlueSyncro Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2018 Posts: 206 Location: British Columbia
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:57 am Post subject: Re: Idle Control Module issue (high idle) & cheap fix |
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drumbum68 wrote: |
While in there, those electrolytic capacitors should be changed. |
Which ones are those? |
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bjrogers86auto Samba Member
Joined: March 26, 2009 Posts: 1375 Location: Halifax, N.S.
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Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2019 11:19 am Post subject: Re: Idle Control Module issue (high idle) & cheap fix |
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Took my control unit apart and the NTE 185 transistor was fried. Contacted a local guy who works on circuit boards and he's able to repair it for me. He tested the rest of the unit was fine.
Hope to have it back next week and get the IAC valve back in the loop.
Thanks again Samba people!
Brian _________________ 86 Vanagon GL Westfalia 2.1
18 Nissan Frontier Pro 4X
19 Honda Civic Hatchback
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day. Calvin and Hobbes. |
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yvessergerie Samba Member
Joined: August 25, 2017 Posts: 2 Location: Quebec, Canada
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Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:20 pm Post subject: Re: Idle Control Module issue (high idle) & cheap fix |
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Does anybody can get the Idle Control Unit electronic sketch for my Vanagon GL 1987?
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: April 13, 2020 Posts: 6 Location: South Africa
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Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:49 pm Post subject: Re: Idle Control Module issue (high idle) & cheap fix |
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I just repaired my ICU from an 86 2.1l
I had 2 Faults:
1) 2000 RPM idle
2) Rough Idling
No burned components
After reverse-engineering the unit, I had a set of schematic diagrams.
With a scope confirmed that the Solenoid Valve was outputting a PWM waveform.
It was just erratic in idle and 2000 rpm.
Twisting the boards whilst idling I was able to exhibit these symptoms.
On the mainboard I re-soldered all the main large components joints. (Connectors, Large Diodes, Large Resistors, Electrolytic Capacitors)
After this, the 2000 rpm issue was gone, but the erratic idle remained. Twisting the 2nd board was able to simulate this fault. Turned out to be the 0.01uF cap inline with the ignition signal. This is a large component, and the joints were dry, Resolderd all caps on this board, and the fault was gone.
I cant find out how to load files on this site, so if someone wants a copy, just mesage me. |
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SyncroHead Samba Member
Joined: May 23, 2005 Posts: 1145 Location: Northern Nevada
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Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:53 am Post subject: Re: Idle Control Module issue (high idle) & cheap fix |
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[email protected] wrote: |
I cant find out how to load files on this site, so if someone wants a copy, just mesage me. |
The only means I know of loading any "files" here is as photos. If you could save the diagrams as a JPG image, they could be loaded to the image gallery. Kludgey, but lacking anything better...
Jim Davis _________________ "A Vanagon? It's not a car or a van. It's a hobby!"
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I have *no* idea what the previous owner carried in his Westy... angry donkeys? |
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zoti Samba Member
Joined: December 26, 2007 Posts: 2061 Location: Plano, TX USA
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:09 pm Post subject: Re: Idle Control Module issue (high idle) & cheap fix |
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[email protected] wrote: |
I just repaired my ICU from an 86 2.1l
I had 2 Faults:
1) 2000 RPM idle
2) Rough Idling
No burned components
After reverse-engineering the unit, I had a set of schematic diagrams.
With a scope confirmed that the Solenoid Valve was outputting a PWM waveform.
It was just erratic in idle and 2000 rpm.
Twisting the boards whilst idling I was able to exhibit these symptoms.
On the mainboard I re-soldered all the main large components joints. (Connectors, Large Diodes, Large Resistors, Electrolytic Capacitors)
After this, the 2000 rpm issue was gone, but the erratic idle remained. Twisting the 2nd board was able to simulate this fault. Turned out to be the 0.01uF cap inline with the ignition signal. This is a large component, and the joints were dry, Resolderd all caps on this board, and the fault was gone.
I cant find out how to load files on this site, so if someone wants a copy, just mesage me. |
I’m interested in the file. Sending you a PM |
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dhaavers Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2010 Posts: 7757 Location: NE MN (tinyurl.com/dhaaverslocation)
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:19 pm Post subject: Re: Idle Control Module issue (high idle) & cheap fix |
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@ Roger...Can you share a link to Dropbox, or PDF saved in your Google drive, or...???
- Dave _________________ 86 White Wolfsburg Westy Weekender
"The WonderVan"
<EDITED TO PROTECT INNOCENT PIXELS> |
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bobhill8 Samba Member
Joined: June 09, 2017 Posts: 737 Location: MA
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:08 am Post subject: Re: Idle Control Module issue (high idle) & cheap fix |
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Hey folks, Roger sent me the files a while ago and I told him I would post them for him. Haven't done it yet, but will get them up here today when I get to work - yes, I actually go to work a couple of days a week, at least for now. |
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bobhill8 Samba Member
Joined: June 09, 2017 Posts: 737 Location: MA
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:14 am Post subject: Re: Idle Control Module issue (high idle) & cheap fix |
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OK, testing to see if these links will work. Could someone click on them and see if you have access to the schematics?
EDIT: The links did not work. Public links are a few posts below.
Last edited by bobhill8 on Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:59 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Jake de Villiers Samba Member
Joined: October 24, 2007 Posts: 5911 Location: Tsawwassen, BC
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bobhill8 Samba Member
Joined: June 09, 2017 Posts: 737 Location: MA
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dhaavers Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2010 Posts: 7757 Location: NE MN (tinyurl.com/dhaaverslocation)
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:32 am Post subject: Re: Idle Control Module issue (high idle) & cheap fix |
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Those ^^^ are working for me...very nice!
Hearty thanks to Roger & Bob!
- Dave _________________ 86 White Wolfsburg Westy Weekender
"The WonderVan"
<EDITED TO PROTECT INNOCENT PIXELS> |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: April 13, 2020 Posts: 6 Location: South Africa
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Posted: Tue May 11, 2021 12:54 pm Post subject: Re: Idle Control Module issue (high idle) & cheap fix |
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Its a bit of a pain that I cant load them as PDF's |
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bobhill8 Samba Member
Joined: June 09, 2017 Posts: 737 Location: MA
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2021 3:49 am Post subject: Re: Idle Control Module issue (high idle) & cheap fix |
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I turned the schematics into jpegs. Not sure if it's more helpful in this format, but it was easy enough:
All the work was done by Roger - I'm just the Amazon driver. _________________ 1986 Westy
1971 Squareback |
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VicVan Samba Member
Joined: July 01, 2015 Posts: 1845 Location: Vancouver Island, BC
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2021 12:14 pm Post subject: Re: Idle Control Module issue (high idle) & cheap fix |
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Are you sure you want to share all this intellectual property? I appreciate the sentiment, however some might take advantage of this. You could maybe share it under a creative commons license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/
Antway, great work. Can't wait for my idle module to go bad so I can buy this _________________ '90 Little Blue Truck, 2WD auto, FAS GenV 2.0 NA (AVH) |
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Vwtechal Samba Member
Joined: January 30, 2014 Posts: 1 Location: Texas
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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:13 am Post subject: Re: Idle Control Module issue (high idle) & cheap fix |
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Thank you for the great information. I noticed in the schematic that you said that the terminal 50 was a mystery as the voltage always stays at 0v. That is because it only receives power to this terminal, and ECM terminal 1, when the engine is cranking. Terminal 50 power comes from the ignition switch when the key is in the "start" position.
[email protected] wrote: |
I just repaired my ICU from an 86 2.1l
I had 2 Faults:
1) 2000 RPM idle
2) Rough Idling
No burned components
After reverse-engineering the unit, I had a set of schematic diagrams.
With a scope confirmed that the Solenoid Valve was outputting a PWM waveform.
It was just erratic in idle and 2000 rpm.
Twisting the boards whilst idling I was able to exhibit these symptoms.
On the mainboard I re-soldered all the main large components joints. (Connectors, Large Diodes, Large Resistors, Electrolytic Capacitors)
After this, the 2000 rpm issue was gone, but the erratic idle remained. Twisting the 2nd board was able to simulate this fault. Turned out to be the 0.01uF cap inline with the ignition signal. This is a large component, and the joints were dry, Resolderd all caps on this board, and the fault was gone.
I cant find out how to load files on this site, so if someone wants a copy, just mesage me. |
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[email protected] Samba Member
Joined: April 13, 2020 Posts: 6 Location: South Africa
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 5:02 am Post subject: Re: Idle Control Module issue (high idle) & cheap fix |
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Thanks, not sure why I missed that !!
Vwtechal wrote: |
Thank you for the great information. I noticed in the schematic that you said that the terminal 50 was a mystery as the voltage always stays at 0v. That is because it only receives power to this terminal, and ECM terminal 1, when the engine is cranking. Terminal 50 power comes from the ignition switch when the key is in the "start" position.
[email protected] wrote: |
I just repaired my ICU from an 86 2.1l
I had 2 Faults:
1) 2000 RPM idle
2) Rough Idling
No burned components
After reverse-engineering the unit, I had a set of schematic diagrams.
With a scope confirmed that the Solenoid Valve was outputting a PWM waveform.
It was just erratic in idle and 2000 rpm.
Twisting the boards whilst idling I was able to exhibit these symptoms.
On the mainboard I re-soldered all the main large components joints. (Connectors, Large Diodes, Large Resistors, Electrolytic Capacitors)
After this, the 2000 rpm issue was gone, but the erratic idle remained. Twisting the 2nd board was able to simulate this fault. Turned out to be the 0.01uF cap inline with the ignition signal. This is a large component, and the joints were dry, Resolderd all caps on this board, and the fault was gone.
I cant find out how to load files on this site, so if someone wants a copy, just mesage me. |
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tanhis Samba Member
Joined: July 23, 2005 Posts: 655 Location: Rauma Finland
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Posted: Mon May 09, 2022 10:22 pm Post subject: Re: Idle Control Module issue (high idle) & cheap fix |
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OldBlueSyncro wrote: |
dhaavers wrote: |
Found this other pic in Goodie's gallery:
Resistor in question seems to be marked "66R 10%"...whatever that means...
- Dave |
Thanks for that picture! It shows everything much better. I know so little about circuit boards. I believe its 56r printed on there.
I already soldered the NTE185 into my idle control module, but this 56r 10% has a small burnt spot on the side of it. I bought this( https://canada.newark.com/ohmite/oy560ke/resistor-ceramic-56-ohm-2w-10/dp/64K5435?st=56r%2010% ) to replace it but I'm not sure if it's the right replacement for that resistor. Dont want to solder it in and mess up more things in this module. |
Can someone confirm is this the correct resitor as I have the same burnt resitor in my digijet 2.1 DJ 251 907 739 A on top of burt NTE185. _________________ -58 Typ2 ambulance
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