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gitchesum Samba Member
Joined: November 10, 2003 Posts: 513 Location: North Cali
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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Get a used Empi and scavenge the parts needed.... _________________ Looking for SP Kadron manifolds...please !!
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Honda XLR 250, 69 Z50, Yamaha 100 Enduro...and others.
GMC SLT 4x4 Dmax
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glandnut 40 horses of Fury
Joined: February 26, 2003 Posts: 1432 Location: J-ville, FL
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Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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catbox wrote: |
If you have a shifter that is missing the bottom plate what can you do to replace it?
Is scavanging from an EMPI clone the best way?
Thanks for the help... |
That will work, but keep in mind you will be using crap mild steel in a critical part of the cage that was originally hardened steel. I have seen Empi shifters with the lower shift gate(square hole the stub shaft pokes through) hogged out almost in an oval shape after 6 months of hard abuse in a sand rail. They are junk.
I continually get customers asking what can be done, and I recommend two things. Find a donor real Hurst cage, or buy a different shifter that is complete. People who don't know what to look for when buying a used Hurst should realize the lack of that bottom lockout plate takes a nice shifter and turns it into a nice doorstop. Keep an eye on the knob threads as well. They can be chased and fixed if mildly damaged, but those who got a T handle with a set screw jammed into them will frequently be past the point of return. _________________ Looking for aluminum single port Kadron manifolds. |
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Bruce Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2003 Posts: 17273 Location: Left coast, Canada
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Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 5:47 pm Post subject: Re: Hurst Shifter rebuild |
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I've always wondered why Hurst supplied a polished white knob on all the shifters for American cars, but gave us a dull black knob.
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APPLEGREENVW Samba Member
Joined: November 30, 2003 Posts: 2379 Location: Seekonk,Massachusetts USA
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:36 pm Post subject: Re: Hurst Shifter rebuild |
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Bruce wrote: |
I've always wondered why Hurst supplied a polished white knob on all the shifters for American cars, but gave us a dull black knob.
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Great question. Where did you get yours? _________________ Parts for sale https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/search.php?username=APPLEGREENVW
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APPLEGREENVW Samba Member
Joined: November 30, 2003 Posts: 2379 Location: Seekonk,Massachusetts USA
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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glandnut wrote: |
catbox wrote: |
If you have a shifter that is missing the bottom plate what can you do to replace it?
Is scavanging from an EMPI clone the best way?
Thanks for the help... |
That will work, but keep in mind you will be using crap mild steel in a critical part of the cage that was originally hardened steel. I have seen Empi shifters with the lower shift gate(square hole the stub shaft pokes through) hogged out almost in an oval shape after 6 months of hard abuse in a sand rail. They are junk.
I continually get customers asking what can be done, and I recommend two things. Find a donor real Hurst cage, or buy a different shifter that is complete. People who don't know what to look for when buying a used Hurst should realize the lack of that bottom lockout plate takes a nice shifter and turns it into a nice doorstop. Keep an eye on the knob threads as well. They can be chased and fixed if mildly damaged, but those who got a T handle with a set screw jammed into them will frequently be past the point of return. |
Great info.You should make a video on this subject. _________________ Parts for sale https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/search.php?username=APPLEGREENVW
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Bruce Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2003 Posts: 17273 Location: Left coast, Canada
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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:29 pm Post subject: Re: Hurst Shifter rebuild |
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APPLEGREENVW wrote: |
Bruce wrote: |
I've always wondered why Hurst supplied a polished white knob on all the shifters for American cars, but gave us a dull black knob. |
Great question. Where did you get yours? |
Custom made. One off. _________________
overheard at the portland Swap Meet... wrote: |
..... a steering wheel made from a mastadon tusk..... |
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Dave Samba Elder
Joined: July 11, 2002 Posts: 2689 Location: The Forest Moon of Endor, in the Redwoods
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:23 pm Post subject: Re: Hurst Shifter rebuild |
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Just waded through all 6 pages of this topic, and learned a lot, Thank You Glandnut and Bruce and everyone else... _________________ 2003 Samba Chummie Winner- Best Story
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Dave Samba Elder
Joined: July 11, 2002 Posts: 2689 Location: The Forest Moon of Endor, in the Redwoods
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:24 pm Post subject: Re: Hurst Shifter rebuild |
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whoever said to get the reverse lockout wire replaced by "holding your mouth right" was absolutely correct...I tried probably 50 times, and finally, after about an hour, it went all the way through... _________________ 2003 Samba Chummie Winner- Best Story
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Bruce Samba Member
Joined: May 16, 2003 Posts: 17273 Location: Left coast, Canada
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:56 pm Post subject: Re: Hurst Shifter rebuild |
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Too late now, but a tip is to curve the wire more than the bend of the shifter. Then when you try to feed the wire down from the top, it will naturally point to the side of the tube nearest the rear of the car. Where the slot is for it.
Dave, you didn't do the reinforcement plate upgrade!
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overheard at the portland Swap Meet... wrote: |
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Dave Samba Elder
Joined: July 11, 2002 Posts: 2689 Location: The Forest Moon of Endor, in the Redwoods
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:12 am Post subject: Re: Hurst Shifter rebuild |
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Bruce wrote: |
Too late now, but a tip is to curve the wire more than the bend of the shifter. Then when you try to feed the wire down from the top, it will naturally point to the side of the tube nearest the rear of the car. Where the slot is for it. |
Shoot, why didn't I think of that? Thanks, Bruce, I am going to play with this shifter a bit, the nylon plate is nice and tight, but if I have to take it back apart for any reason, I'll be getting one of those steel plates from you.. _________________ 2003 Samba Chummie Winner- Best Story
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Dave Samba Elder
Joined: July 11, 2002 Posts: 2689 Location: The Forest Moon of Endor, in the Redwoods
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Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:23 am Post subject: Re: Hurst Shifter rebuild |
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Got it all back together, and promptly went from first, to reverse. I guess I didn't bring the reverse lockout collar up high enough, so here I go again with that stupid cable, gonna have to make a new one. I know there should be some "spare" when I lift the reverse lockout collar back up, but I don't have anything better to do today.. <EDIT> I figured it out, I had the round reverse lockout collar too low, and it would pop over the bottom plate. I fished a new cable through, got it so the round collar rides in the middle of the raised area, and now it works like a new Hurst _________________ 2003 Samba Chummie Winner- Best Story
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MonkeySee Samba Member
Joined: February 14, 2013 Posts: 209 Location: Big D
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:47 pm Post subject: Re: Hurst Shifter rebuild |
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Picked up an old Hurst shifter at a swap meet just for the shift ball and I was looking at it today and turns out it's missing a few pieces. The bottom plate, the side spring that pushes to third/fourth and the side plate. I went back out to the bug to inspect the shifter that was in it and it turns out it is a curved copper shifter in perfect working order. I thought the chrome had all come off and I was going to replace it. Now I have this chrome curve shifter that I don't need. After powering through all six pages on this thread it help me identify my shifter and helped me decide to keep it. Thanks so much. |
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aluk Samba Member
Joined: October 29, 2016 Posts: 67 Location: Las Vegas NV
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:39 am Post subject: Re: Hurst Shifter rebuild |
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I’m having trouble getting the side spring in place and didn’t find mention of installing it. Any preferred methods? Thanks, Mitch _________________ "It's all a matter of what you like. That's the great thing about buggies and kit cars. I'm going for a pseudo/updated/old school/semi-clean look". |
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Dibaltic Samba Member
Joined: May 06, 2007 Posts: 564 Location: Chambersburg, Pennsylvania
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Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: Hurst Shifter rebuild |
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I've had this shifter for years waiting for a bug to put it in. Discovered this thread and now I'm wondering if it's a RHD version. Can anyone confirm this for me?
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Miklo ¡Chale!
Joined: August 27, 2008 Posts: 2058 Location: Antelope Valley, Ca
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Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:14 pm Post subject: Re: Hurst Shifter rebuild |
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Dibaltic wrote: |
I've had this shifter for years waiting for a bug to put it in. Discovered this thread and now I'm wondering if it's a RHD version. Can anyone confirm this for me? |
I have one for a rhd.
Put it in your left hand as if it was in your beetle... Feels good huh.
The way the trigger is cocked to the side is a quick give away. _________________ ✠Miklo✠
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Dibaltic Samba Member
Joined: May 06, 2007 Posts: 564 Location: Chambersburg, Pennsylvania
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Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:48 am Post subject: Re: Hurst Shifter rebuild |
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Miklo wrote: |
Dibaltic wrote: |
I've had this shifter for years waiting for a bug to put it in. Discovered this thread and now I'm wondering if it's a RHD version. Can anyone confirm this for me? |
I have one for a rhd.
Put it in your left hand as if it was in your beetle... Feels good huh.
The way the trigger is cocked to the side is a quick give away. |
Thank you for the information |
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carp442 Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2013 Posts: 20 Location: fenandina beach
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Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:35 pm Post subject: Re: Hurst Shifter rebuild |
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No one ever said how to tighten the pivot ball if it’s too loose or heavily worn.
You can lightly plane the 2 inside faces of the nylon blocks to tighten up the clamping force. Lay a piece of 220 grit face up on a flat surface and sand the nylon block face by rubbing it back and forth a few times. Test fit the pivot ball, and repeat the until the ball fits more snug.
Do not over do it- you want to snug it up, not clamp it down.
Lube ball and re-assemble with Bruce’s racer plate. |
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Dave Samba Elder
Joined: July 11, 2002 Posts: 2689 Location: The Forest Moon of Endor, in the Redwoods
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Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 3:17 pm Post subject: Re: Hurst Shifter rebuild |
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aluk wrote: |
I’m having trouble getting the side spring in place and didn’t find mention of installing it. Any preferred methods? Thanks, Mitch |
I realize that this post is 2 or 3 years old, but Jeff aka Glandnut said he will send me a video showing how the Hurst guru does it... If he's okay with it, I'll post if after I get it, but not until Glandnut says it's okay..And YES this time I am using one of Bruce's steel reinforcement plates _________________ 2003 Samba Chummie Winner- Best Story
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Dave Samba Elder
Joined: July 11, 2002 Posts: 2689 Location: The Forest Moon of Endor, in the Redwoods
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: Hurst Shifter rebuild |
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Jeff did send me a video, but I am not sure how to get it on here. He makes it look so simple; I think he has done this before Thanks to Jeff and Bruce for all the info, I've always like the curved chrome Hursts, ever since I bought one brand new back in Ye Olden Dayes. Can's seem to get this one to make a smooth 3 to 2 downshift, it wants to catch, I can only assume at this point that when the Type 2 hockey stick had the detent drilled into the top, it is just a tiny bit off.. That's okay, it's just one of the pleasures of having an old VW _________________ 2003 Samba Chummie Winner- Best Story
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69733 Location: Phoenix Metro
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