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Big Bill Samba Member
Joined: June 21, 2005 Posts: 1782 Location: Santa Rosa, Ca
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:42 pm Post subject: Steering box seal |
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Ive beenlooking for a steering box output shaft seal for my 61 bus,but cant locate one. Anybody know if they are still made? I talked to one guy that said I could drain the oil out, pull off the side plate and pack the box with grease. Has anyone done this, or do you think it might work? Thanx Bill. |
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Stocknazi Samba Member
Joined: June 18, 2004 Posts: 5150
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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according to bently this can be done, but i have never attempted it myself. i know the early bay boxes are not supposed to have grease put in them, this makes me question why bently would say what it does. i would try to locate a seal (dealer possibly) and replace it .
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dstefun Samba Member
Joined: February 20, 2002 Posts: 3338 Location: Sacratomato
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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OACDP 58-67 parts book says the shaft seal is # N14907.1, size is 25x36x7. Any bearing/seal shop should be able to get it based on size, I got one from Bus-boys.com last year and it was under $5. I should still have the new seal somewhere because I didn't fix that steering gear after all.
Regular grease won't work as it just moves away from the gears and stays there. I have read other posts saying CV-joint grease can be used as it stays liquid but is thicker than gear oil so it leaks less but I have not tried that. Others say 50/50 grease and gear oil works. |
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69827 Location: Phoenix Metro
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Campy Samba Member
Joined: January 10, 2005 Posts: 4933 Location: Chico, CA
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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My 1957 bus, which I bought 28 years, ago, had a steering box that had a grease zert on its side; it used grease and not oil.
Years ago, the steering box was wearing out and I drove the bus to Bus Boys in Redding, CA, where I bought a rebuilt steering unit and installed it right there (they loaned me a steering wheel puller). What I got with it was their homemade lubricant. It was thicker than oil; they sell it at Bus Boys but it is rather expensive.
A few years ago, I was at Wolfgang Int'l. and I told Steve (former part owner of Bus Boys) about it and he gave me the formula for making it: part STP and part graphite grease. I have forgotten the ratio he gave me, but I'm sure if you telephoned, he would give it to you. I got the feeling that he didn't want people to get ripped off at Bus Boys by buying their high priced steering box lubricant. |
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Big Bill Samba Member
Joined: June 21, 2005 Posts: 1782 Location: Santa Rosa, Ca
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the part numbers and tips I would rather use oil in there over grease. Ill check the local parts house with the CR number. Thanx Bill |
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hazetguy Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2001 Posts: 10773 Location: iT StiNgeD iTseLf tO dEAd
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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if you search "Bus Steering Box Seal Replacement" in the gallery under "hazetguy" (me), you will find a 10 picture walk-through of the procedure:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_search.php?search_keywords=Bus+Steering+Box+Seal+Replacement
use gear oil. that's gear oil, same as the tranny.. not grease. _________________ thebucket: I invested in hoodride, now DBD won't return my call?
hazetguy: invested?
thebucket: Yeah Haze, its where people put money into a company in hopes of a return on their money |
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69827 Location: Phoenix Metro
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Campy Samba Member
Joined: January 10, 2005 Posts: 4933 Location: Chico, CA
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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That is interesting. I think the zert was on the left side of the steering box. I never found a threaded plug at the top where I could put oil into the steering box. |
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69827 Location: Phoenix Metro
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Big Bill Samba Member
Joined: June 21, 2005 Posts: 1782 Location: Santa Rosa, Ca
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:28 am Post subject: |
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hazetguy I looked at all your gallery photos, great info on many different repairs. Id like to get a good tierod / draglink removal tool, are Hazet tools sold in the states? Iam going start replacing worn frontend components before too long so your gallery photos will be getting a real work out from me. |
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EverettB Administrator
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berniedd1 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:06 am Post subject: |
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On my bug, steering box seal gave out and lost oil. Too lazy to change it, I put in some grease into a big hypodermic syringe I had, and injected as much of it into the filler hole as would go in. I then topped it off with SAE 140 gear oil. That was 7 years ago and it still doesn't leak. |
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sventinker Samba Member
Joined: June 10, 2009 Posts: 1481 Location: the sandbox
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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Well this is the thread to post this question even if its from 2005! This picture is from Hazetguy's tutorial on steering shaft seal replacement. My question is I have this same tool and my box is out how do get the tool in the seal to get it out? my seal is bone dry and old and hard. I located a box that is real "tight" and turns freely and smoothly considering its out of oil. No slop at all! I want to reseal it and not dissect it to accomplish this. Anyone have any tips for getting this seal out? Jon?
_________________ April 3rd 62 standard mgr/pw
374 North American equipment
Includes 6 popouts
025 Safety belts
195 Adjustable bench seat/backrest (until 1963)
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RPGreg2600 Samba Member
Joined: November 07, 2010 Posts: 1657 Location: Vallejo, CA
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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Try tapping the seal remover in with a hammer if you can't push it in by hand. |
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D!esel Samba Member
Joined: August 26, 2009 Posts: 6 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 9:53 am Post subject: |
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Get a screw or two into that seal and pull at those to get it out.. this helped me a few times.. |
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hazetguy Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2001 Posts: 10773 Location: iT StiNgeD iTseLf tO dEAd
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 10:04 am Post subject: |
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RPGreg2600 wrote: |
Try tapping the seal remover in with a hammer if you can't push it in by hand. |
this is what i do. gently, so you don't damage the bore that the seal seats in. it's a real pain in the ass to try to file the bore smooth if you scratch it. _________________ thebucket: I invested in hoodride, now DBD won't return my call?
hazetguy: invested?
thebucket: Yeah Haze, its where people put money into a company in hopes of a return on their money |
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sventinker Samba Member
Joined: June 10, 2009 Posts: 1481 Location: the sandbox
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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hazetguy wrote: |
RPGreg2600 wrote: |
Try tapping the seal remover in with a hammer if you can't push it in by hand. |
this is what i do. gently, so you don't damage the bore that the seal seats in. it's a real pain in the ass to try to file the bore smooth if you scratch it. |
Thanks Jon I got it out tonight. had to puncture the seal with a small flat screwdriver and center punch then tapped the remover tool in at an angle under metal in seal and out it came I am so relieved. One of the bolts on the big cover on the side has a hole drilled in the threaded part where it passes through the housing and has some steel wire through it with a soft metal pressed into the wire with some kind of logo on it. i would assume it is a tamper evident tell. Anyone ever seen this on a steering box bolt before? _________________ April 3rd 62 standard mgr/pw
374 North American equipment
Includes 6 popouts
025 Safety belts
195 Adjustable bench seat/backrest (until 1963)
dawerks wrote: |
Perfection only comes with delusion. |
http://www.oacdp.org/ |
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bustedtype2 Samba Member
Joined: May 07, 2005 Posts: 417 Location: The arm pit of california
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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Does the steering box have a drain plug. 64 bus? _________________ Gas, Grass or Ass ? No one rides to the show for free!! |
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24764 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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No, but you can loosen up the four bolts on the bottom of the steering box and pop down the plate there. When done draining clean off the plate edge and rebolt back on. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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