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zombiebug
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| clay ford wrote: |
I suppose you could epoxy it but the wire trick works just fine and takes less than a minute to do |
Ah ok. Im going to put my car in the garage and do that tonight. Ive been driving for 6 months without it on there.
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locktite, if properly applied, is far more effective than epoxy
epoxy is for big gaps, locktite is for small gaps |
Ok great thank you for that information. Im going to wire it tonight and then locktight it this spring when I replace all my hoses. |
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poisonbeetleman
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| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:14 pm Post subject: to chop or not to chop this is the question |
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as some of you know i lost my bug to a fire. but whats left is very restorable. but not going back to OG. so i pose this question to all of you.
should i forgo it all and chop the top ?
suicide the doors ?
french in all the lights ?
go with a radical bug or suffer the pain and restore her to her former glory. i will post and after fire pic soon thanks for all the imput.
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zombiebug
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| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:11 pm Post subject: Re: to chop or not to chop this is the question |
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| poisonbeetleman wrote: |
as some of you know i lost my bug to a fire. but whats left is very restorable. but not going back to OG. so i pose this question to all of you.
should i forgo it all and chop the top ?
suicide the doors ?
french in all the lights ?
go with a radical bug or suffer the pain and restore her to her former glory. i will post and after fire pic soon thanks for all the imput.
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Go with what you want to do. Almost every one enjoys a stocker, but almost everyone like seeing something thats not.
What have you always wanted to do? |
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Mickey_Ale
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| wow, this is a great thread. Time to do some work before hot rodding around town. Thanks for keeping this 7 year old thread up top. |
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str8buggin
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I was thinking of getting a fire suppression kit. I'm a stickler for properly maintaining any of my vehicles, but unfortunate situations could always arise. With the hand operated auto fire extinguishers, you still have to get your deck lid open to fight the fire which in most cases are probably already very hot by the time you realize what's going on back there. With the suppression kit, there are two or three (depending on the kit) spray nozzles that you can mount anywhere in your engine compartment so when you pull the nozzle they release all the contents from the 5 or 10lb bottle (again, depending on what kit you get). They are a safety requirement in some IHRA and NHRA classes and I had a system on one of my old drag cars (thankfully never had to use it). Seems like a little better system to me, $300 well spent IMO.
http://www.summitracing.com/search/Department/Safe...s=Rank|Asc
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vw_hank
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Seen this on the front page as A Featured Ad,
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Here's a brand new item , that is way long overdue in Vanagonland.
A custom steel replacement firewall / bulkhead fuel line fitting that will replace the fracture prone, stock plastic fuel line fitting.
This product is tough, and bullet proof, for a long, trouble free fuel line firewall fitting--it'll never snap off as the stock plastic ones often do, and you won't have to Rube Goldberg the fuel line through some lame rubber grommet in the hole in the firewall to get the fuel line to the engine.
This fitting's base is water jet cut from the stock dimensions of the original fitting, and it'll bolt right up to the designated mounting holes.
The ends of the tube are properly beaded to retain the fuel line.
All in all, this accessory / replacement fuel line fitting for the Vanagon is the best thing since Apple Pie, and will outlast your Van.
$39.00 plus shipping. |
link to samba add
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=803898
here's A link to there website
http://community-2.webtv.net/VanStuff/VanagonWestfalia/
looks prity nice and I bet can be fitted to A bug very easy 
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Cadaver
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mondshine
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Just keep in mind that the safety wire, as seen in this popular photo:
will do absolutely nothing to guarantee a seal between the brass tube and the carburetor top.
If you want to fix this permanently, use a 1/16 NPT X 1/4" hose barb.
It is not even necessary to drill the carburetor top to tap it; the metal is very soft, and with the brass tube removed, the bore size is just about right.
1/16 NPT taps and fittings might be hard to find at the corner hardware store, but they're easy to purchase online.
A hose barb fitting threaded into the carburetor top with (loctite or similar) will never leak or pull out unexpectedly.
Good luck, Mondshine |
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vw_hank
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| mondshine wrote: |
Just keep in mind that the safety wire, as seen in this popular photo:
will do absolutely nothing to guarantee a seal between the brass tube and the carburetor top.
If you want to fix this permanently, use a 1/16 NPT X 1/4" hose barb.
It is not even necessary to drill the carburetor top to tap it; the metal is very soft, and with the brass tube removed, the bore size is just about right.
1/16 NPT taps and fittings might be hard to find at the corner hardware store, but they're easy to purchase online.
A hose barb fitting threaded into the carburetor top with (loctite or similar) will never leak or pull out unexpectedly.
Good luck, Mondshine |
The purpose of the safety wire in that pic is not to prevent leeks,, Its to prevent catastrophic failure! leaky carbs dont burst into flames, and if for some reason that leaky fitting dus catch fire, it would be very manageable(you could put it out with A rag)  the wire keeps the fitting from popping out and spraying pressurized gas over the entire motor 
Im not saying your suggestion for the threaded fitting isn't A good one! just that you might be discounting A very good safety item unfairly... remember if you see A leek you have A chance to fix it, if that fitting pops out unexpectedly, its all over with!!
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JerryMCarter1
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I tired putting out my engine fire with my shirt-- I could beat it down and out and then within a second or two it would flare up again - the motor was off had a mechanical pump,, so my thought was, well I would just keep it up -- I beat it -- it flared up -- I beat it - it flared up - then after about 7 to 10 minutes of this ,,,---I was starting to run out of energy - now make no mistake I am old but I am very fit --
luckily I had some guy stop by in the traffic and squirt the fire out with his extinguisher- Shit the car would have been gone -- to this day I have not been able to figure out what caused it -- it burn the hoses and I still think the glue loosened from the plastic filter and it started to leak right there
Yo hum -- hundreds of these damn things have burnt up
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mondshine
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Well Hank-
It's your car, do as you like.
Also notice that if the "safety" wire is pulled, it would tend to loosen the screw. That's not how it's done.
That and the Home Depot electrical connector, and the non standard fuel line are all negative indicators to me.
As an example, when you see an engine with a chrome aftermarket fan shroud or air filter, you might draw certain conclusions about the owner's understanding of these cars.
To me, that photo is a red flag, that's all; it's only my opinion.
Good luck, Mondshine |
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vw_hank
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Well Hank-
It's your car, do as you like. Also notice that if the "safety" wire is pulled, it would tend to loosen the screw. That's not how it's done.
That and the Home Depot electrical connector, and the non standard fuel line are all negative indicators to me.
As an example, when you see an engine with a chrome aftermarket fan shroud or air filter, you might draw certain conclusions about the owner's understanding of these cars.
To me, that photo is a red flag, that's all; it's only my opinion.
Good luck, Mondshine |
Nope not my car, not my pic (the pic posted by JerryMCarter1 is my car )
You bring up some good points! the safety wire is on the wrong side of the bolt! that's true.. I wouldn't use that hose, nore those clamps!
The point I was making is, instead of just saying (in your words) "Just keep in mind that the safety wire, as seen in this popular photo: will do absolutely nothing to guarantee a seal between the brass tube and the carburetor top."
The guy that did that safety wire made A good attempt to protect his car, and It well stop the fitting from blowing out of the carb and creating A unmanageable fire! I give the guy props for that
As for the chrome fan shroud and such that you bring up and say "you might draw certain conclusions about the owner's understanding of these cars."
I didn't see any chrome in that pic 
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JerryMCarter1
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The wire will hold the hose from slipping backward- the clamp is tightened smaller than the hose
Hoses crack and then vibrate and actually fall off the tube
Hope this helps -- been a lot of fires with that exact hose coming loose
Jerry
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Max Welton
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4: a grommet at engine tin fuel line (and new flex line) FI grade clamps.
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i inspect my front tin grommet every oil change, it takes me 1 second.
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I use a extra large grommet and some water hose cover(split) on the cable.
so if the grommet fails the hose backs me up, till I look. |
I do understand that grommet solutions are effective and easy, but using solid pass-throughs are a permanent and zero-maintenance solution.
There's some great pictures of some back on page 7.
Max
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vw_hank
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4: a grommet at engine tin fuel line (and new flex line) FI grade clamps.
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i inspect my front tin grommet every oil change, it takes me 1 second.
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I use a extra large grommet and some water hose cover(split) on the cable.
so if the grommet fails the hose backs me up, till I look. |
I do understand that grommet solutions are effective and easy, but using solid pass-throughs are a permanent and zero-maintenance solution.
There's some great pictures of some back on page 7.
Max |
Yep
did you see the link I posted earlier??
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=803898
It seems that VW had A factory bulkhead/pass-through for A long time My home made one was A lot cheaper and works just as good!! but some people on here think if the "VW engineers" didn't do it, It wount work  well hears one(oh my God ) that A improvement on the one the "VW engineers" came up with(how the hell did that happen??)
PS: this is my home made one, not from page 7,, but its in here somewhere
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Max Welton
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gargamel
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Neat!
Here are mine. One each for my carbed type-1 and my FI-ed type-3:
Max |
nice. can you tell me exactly what parts from the hardware store you use? I'd rather give that a trie then using a stock grommet.
you ran the rubber fuel line right thru vs. messing with the hardline? |
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Glenn 
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It's lamp parts. Most good hardware stores will carry it.
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gargamel
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| Gotcha. I just did a search to lowes, home depot. i take it they are items that dont pop up in their search engine with the word "lamp" in it? just got to look in their small bolts,etc section and test fit? |
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