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Nicksan
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 Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:27 am Post subject: Which way do the arms go? |
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There is a flat spot on the stock bug arms where the spindles hook up and of course I dont remember if the flat spot points upward or downward, anyone know? Ive been searching online and on the samba for pics but they are blurry or not close up enough to see.
I usually label and write down everything when I disassemble things but this time I took everything apart and threw it to the side and figured I would remember how things go back together,  Ive got a bentley manual but its 70 and later. |
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rterfert
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:36 am Post subject: |
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If I read you right?
The flat side of the upright is in toward the frame and the taper side goes out toward the wheel/spindle. |
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Nicksan
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:58 am Post subject: |
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| rterfert wrote: |
If I read you right?
The flat side of the upright is in toward the frame and the taper side goes out toward the wheel/spindle. |
At the end of the arms where they connect to the spindles on linkpin arms, one side has a short flat protusion and the other does not. Not sure which way the protusion faces, it could be for bolt support.
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Nicksan
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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Concentrating on the lower arm that has the shock mount. You can install it on either side of the beam but the arms are not symmetrical, If you flip the arms the part that connects to the spindle will be upside down. If you take a real close look at the end of the arm at the spindle end they appear to be made to install in only one position, I hope that cleared things up a bit.
The upper arms have the same small protusion.
Oh why not post some pics  , Here........
See the left side protrudes out farther than the right, Does that protusion face up or down when installed on the beam? |
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rterfert
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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OK I will get a picture....
You are looking at it the wrong/different than I way 
The line shows the driection/angle of the nut and bolt.
in referance to the hole...looks like the bottom is wider than the top. |
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Nicksan
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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OK I will get a picture....
You are looking at it the wrong/different than I way
The line shows the driection/angle of the nut and bolt.
in referance to the hole...looks like the bottom is wider than the top. |
In that pic it looks as if the upper arm protusion is pointing downward and the lower one is pointing upward? Is that whats its doing?
For the record, I was rolling eyes at myself for not posting a pic to begin with, Not at you.  |
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rterfert
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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OK here is the NEW rule of thumb...
the arms are interchangeble from side to side 
There is only 1 casting for both sides. |
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Nicksan
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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OK here is the NEW rule of thumb...
the arms are interchangeble from side to side
There is only 1 casting for both sides. |
How can this be? The arms are not the same. If you flip them then the small protusion reverses to either being up or down. I guess when I am ready to assemle the spindles I will have to figure it out. Thanks. |
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rterfert
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| rterfert wrote: |
OK here is the NEW rule of thumb...
the arms are interchangeble from side to side
There is only 1 casting for both sides. |
How can this be? The arms are not the same. If you flip them then the small protusion reverses to either being up or down. I guess when I am ready to assemle the spindles I will have to figure it out. Thanks. |
Look at both arms....Are they not Identical??
I was a little  and then remembered that it doesn't matter what side they go on. |
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Nicksan
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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That was a fast response, lol.
They are not identical in the sense that the little flat spot in the pic I posted is reversed on one side, when I install the lower arms, meaning the flat spot is pointing up on one side of the beam and pointing down on the other when assembled. That tells me that they cannot be the same?
I know these are type one arms. There must be a reason for this. I will try to post a pic of both side by side tomorrow, If not I will attempt to hookup the spindles and see how they go together. |
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rterfert
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That was a fast response, lol.
They are not identical in the sense that the little flat spot in the pic I posted is reversed on one side, when I install the lower arms, meaning the flat spot is pointing up on one side of the beam and pointing down on the other when assembled. That tells me that they cannot be the same?
I know these are type one arms. There must be a reason for this. I will try to post a pic of both side by side tomorrow, If not I will attempt to hookup the spindles and see how they go together. |
Forget the sense
OR forget the cent$ and just go with a longer arms
 If you stack both right and left arms on top of each other...they are identical??
IF SO they could be used on either side Yes??
WELL we won't even get into the...if they were pre-bent from a previous accident thing |
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bajaherbie
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i looked at mine this morning after church. i might be wrong but they look the same to me
this afternoon i'll drink a couple of beers and look again. maybe if i'm under the influence of alchol i'll notice a difference....
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Nicksan
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2005 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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Well im not drunk, The pic that rterfert posted shows an angle that the nut points to, is that angle supposed to be the same for both sides? I would think they would be opposite?
like this / \
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not / /
when I put my arms in the angle of the nut on both sides are pointing the same, like this / / that does not seem right? |
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rterfert
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2005 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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Well im not drunk, The pic that rterfert posted shows an angle that the nut points to, is that angle supposed to be the same for both sides? I would think they would be opposite?
like this / \
or \ /
not / /
when I put my arms in the angle of the nut on both sides are pointing the same, like this / / that does not seem right? |
All 6 cars here are like this \ /
I"D say just put them back on and if all the parts fit It's right. |
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bajaherbie
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my baja is a '65. i had the front end apart recently and i know i didn't mix 'em upwhen i put it back together. standing in front of the car looking at the front end, my bolts are like this: \ \ .
hope this helps.
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rterfert
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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Well im not drunk, The pic that rterfert posted shows an angle that the nut points to, is that angle supposed to be the same for both sides? I would think they would be opposite?
like this / \
or \ /
not / /
when I put my arms in the angle of the nut on both sides are pointing the same, like this / / that does not seem right? |
All 6 cars here are like this \ /
I"D say just put them back on and if all the parts fit It's right. |
I too just got finished with another car AND had to come back and see if I posted them wrong
OF COURSE I DID
YES all the cars here look like this\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
Both sides go the same direction...Like I said before there is only one casting for both sides.....just put them back on and you will be fine.
I"m done with little headache OK |
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Nicksan
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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I just did a mock up assembly and it looks as if they are ok. It just seems really strange that the arms have that protusion and one side is upside down and the other is not. Thanks for the help.  |
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bajaherbie
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2005 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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vw also thought of mass production of parts. make the part fit both sides and that was one less part to make.
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Nicksan
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2005 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| vw also thought of mass production of parts. make the part fit both sides and that was one less part to make. |
Thats what I thought but the only problem with that is they are not the same on each side.
I wish I would have took a pic of them side to side before I mounted them. |
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rterfert
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2005 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| vw also thought of mass production of parts. make the part fit both sides and that was one less part to make. |
There it is
German ingenuity
Easy for us Americans to work on |
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