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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:33 pm    Post subject: Need some information for ceiling bows for a conversion. Reply with quote

I am planning on installing birch paneling on the ceiling of the 66 13 Window and I have realized I will need a couple of wood bows to take up the gaps between the roof frame.
Anyone ever done this?
I am fairly certain I can lay out the bows myself and cut them.
What I am curious about is should they have a runner on the rail at the edge of the ceiling that the bows attach to to?
Would I need 2 or 3 bows?
I have the baltic birch paneling that I purchased a few years ago. 10-1/8"x4'x10' sheets which I hope to get two 4' panels out of each.
Anyhow, any thoughts, ideas or experience would be much appreciated.
Photos and specs would be helpful too.
Thank you. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since you will need a panel that is ~50" wide you will need to run a strip down the middle of the roof. Clara makes bows but not for down the middle, IIRC. The bows should look just like the front and rear metal ones that are already welded to the roof and the top of the walls. The bases will need to be set back from the inside lip to accept the edges of the roof panels.

I have never been a fan of the Riviera/Sundial/Caravel, etc... roof layout. But that wasn't your question, now, was it?

Look what I just found!-
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Is this what you are trying to replicate?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want to try to do them without the seam in the middle.
I also saw this ad from Clara, though I would like to do it myself.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1229943
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW, I know Clara makes quality interior pieces, as I have bought from her before for a SC.
I am trying to do this one all on my own and for the fun of doing it. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I want to try to do them without the seam in the middle.
I also saw this ad from Clara, though I would like to do it myself.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1229943


I don't see how you can do this with 48"wide panels unless you do it with the grain running side-to-side. I will reserve comment on this method. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cru62 wrote:
peaceful warrior wrote:
I want to try to do them without the seam in the middle.
I also saw this ad from Clara, though I would like to do it myself.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1229943


I don't see how you can do this with 48"wide panels unless you do it with the grain running side-to-side. I will reserve comment on this method. Rolling Eyes


Wait and you will see! Wink Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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cru62 wrote:
peaceful warrior wrote:
I want to try to do them without the seam in the middle.
I also saw this ad from Clara, though I would like to do it myself.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1229943


I don't see how you can do this with 48"wide panels unless you do it with the grain running side-to-side. I will reserve comment on this method. Rolling Eyes


Wait and you will see! Wink Rolling Eyes


I am prepared to be amazed, my good man.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

peaceful warrior wrote:
I want to try to do them without the seam in the middle.
I also saw this ad from Clara, though I would like to do it myself.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1229943


I make three bows, with the seam in the middle, because that is what Westfalia did and I follow them like the proverbial lemming. Razz
The number of the bows shall be three. Thou shalt not count four, nor two, unless immediately proceeding to three. Five is right out.

Possibly you could use two, or four, or five, depending on your design.
There is also the US OTW roof style with the seam down the middle, which takes a wooden brace down the middle.

Westfalia used 'shoehorns' at the sides to shoe horn the roof panels into the inner rain gutter, #8 in diagram.

I used the wrong length shoe horns for these, oops... this length would work better on a flip hatch bus... the seam between shoehorns on each side should be on a bow and tacked in place there. yes, tacked into the metal bow. Don't use long nails or it will dimple the roof out!

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Clara and thank you for the time on the phone this morning.
Much appreciated. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW, this is just an idea for what I am doing to MY bus.
Aluminum diamond plate at the bottom of the door panels and side panels. The birch I am using is not finished and being used for fitment. Working out some issues as height, how to transition from DP to Birch, etc.

I like the way it looks.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i like the aluminum panel idea, how about the old hammered style? http://www.materialsgate.de/en/mcard/28078/Hammered.html
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diamond plate is kinda played out, but I can understand why you'd want something other than a varnished wood panel to take the abuse from water and stuff bouncing around inside the bus down low on the doors.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

j.pickens wrote:
Diamond plate is kinda played out, but I can understand why you'd want something other than a varnished wood panel to take the abuse from water and stuff bouncing around inside the bus down low on the doors.


I have never used it, so I don't understand the played out..... Laughing
I found some aluminum divide to separate the DP from the wood, in 1/8".
Here is a photo of what it looks like. I think it will give it a cleaner look.
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