oil filter BLOW_OUT

[ROGER LAWLESS]

Why does my spin-on oil filter gasket blow out all the time?

I just replaced the old spin-on system with an EMPI one. Same problem.

I pulled out both oil releif springs and pistons and they were free in the galley. The springs look like 'stock' but I am not sure. I pulled one out of an old 1500cc and the springs were the same thickness and felt like they had the same tension.

The oil filter I bought at a NAPA parts house and they stated it would work.

CIP1 catalog states that I should run a empi 'high pressure' oil filter.

Any thoughts?

Thanks, Roger
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I have a61 Ragtop and a 69 Ghia Coupe

[Alan_U]

K&N HP3001 is equivalent to a PH8A fram (piece of junk)

That filter is what I use since its capable of very high burst oil pressure and will filter extremely well.

step down your oil viscosity. 10w30 should be sufficient in most weather conditions.

I had issues when my 2332 was fresh. I was using a high quality PUREONE puralator. It didnt' like me

K&N worked like a charm. Nots expensive and works extremely well.
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11.92sec pump gas true daily driver. Who says it cant be done.

No more time for VW's.......

[ROGER LAWLESS]

What filter can I buy TODAY? I do not wan't to have to order one as it will be another week.
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I have a61 Ragtop and a 69 Ghia Coupe

[Glenn]

[Glenn]

[ROGER LAWLESS]

Do any of them have a 'relief valve' built into them?

The can on mine seems ok but the rubber gasket blow's within 15 sec. of starting the engine. I am running 10 w 30 oil.
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I have a61 Ragtop and a 69 Ghia Coupe

[Glenn]

The Mann and Mahle both have bypass valves.

Do you have a oil pressure gauge? If so, what's your pressure?
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[ROGER LAWLESS]

I havn't wired it up yet. I can do that in about 15 minutes as I already ran all the wires.
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I have a61 Ragtop and a 69 Ghia Coupe

[ROGER LAWLESS]

My local parts place has them BOTH for the 2K engine, GTI.

Will that work?

Roger
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I have a61 Ragtop and a 69 Ghia Coupe

[Glenn]

I don't know. The fitting is 3/4"-16... you can try to match it up.

Is this a filter pump or remote filter. If it's a remote see if they have a Fram HP-1. It's for Ford V8s... that should hold you.
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[Mad Manx]

Again I chime in with Glen about the Canton Mecca filter. I have them
on all of my cars, 2 Volkswagens and a Ford. You will never blow one
up and they look cool. They are a bit expensive but you only buy it once
and then get replacement elements. If you need something now, get one
of the others that Glen mentioned but think about ordering a Canton you
will never regret it. I still have oil dripping from the rafters in the garage
from the so called heavy duty spin on Fram that blew 4 years ago.

[Bruce]

[ROGER LAWLESS]

Well I went and bought the Mann German filter for the 91 GTI as mentioned by one of the guys.

IT BLEW out in 10 seconds! I watched the end puff out and then the oil seal went plooey! Oil all over the garage again. Placed the seal back into place and REALLY cranked it down again. Started the engine and no less than 5SECONDS, well you guessed it, plooey.

Back to a heavy duty oil pump without a spin-on oilfilter.

I had previously today pulled both 'pressure relief' valves and springs/pistons, out and checked them out. NO problem here.

Three studs and one bolt hold the oil pump and cover in place, Right? No more as the top right BOLT, for clearance, stripped out

Any way to repair this while still in the car?

I am at my wit's end. What little I have left.

Roger
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I have a61 Ragtop and a 69 Ghia Coupe

[Glenn]

Something is wrong... what size pump do you have?

26mm or 30mm?
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[veedubcrazy]

i was having the exact problem, blowing out the spin-on filter gasket. i now use a diesel rabbit oil filter. its a mann filter, part #w940/25. i have not had a blow out since.
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1967 Deluxe Sedan

[Brad M]

Rodger,

Do you have any way to tell the pressure? My guess would be a restriction in the system past the filter causing abnormally high pressures. Or a bad filter mount with either an uneven mating surface or a pitched thread sert where the filter screws on causing it to meet the surface unevenly. Check to see if the filter mount is shot or if you have a restriction past the filter.

Not trying to make this sales pitch for CM or toot Glenn's horn to much but I also took his advise about the CM and have it ready to go in with my new 2017 when the rest of the parts arrive. You will not blow this thing up without some serious pressures. I also forked out for some Gene Berg swedged hoses and filter mount.

It's expensive but I'd wager to say its the last filter you will ever buy. Filter elements are not bad at around $15 and the staff at CM is great to deal with.

http://www.cmfilters.com

Ok now back to your problem at hand, let us know what your oil pressure is at startup and any info you have on the condition of your filter mount.
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61 Double Cab (Sold 8/7/10)
74 Standard Beetle

[Alan Willis]

If you're literally blowing the seals out of the filters you must have rediculously high oil pressure!Also sounds like you're running an Empi oil filter setup

[Glenn]

Berg hoses are top quality.

I found a local hydraulics shop that also makes some very high quality hoses.
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[Bruce]

[ROGER LAWLESS]

I have had three pumps on the engine.

Mehling cast iron heavy duty pump.

CB pump with spin-on filter

Empi pump with spin-on filter

Back to Mehling oil pump. Stripped out thread on the top right this PM. Pissed off.

Oil pressure releif pistons and springs were clean and stock. r&r'd them b4 I installed the NEW EMPI pump.

Replaced with the Mehling pump, NO FILTER, and ran the car for about 20 minutes. NO it did not blow-up during that time.

I am still stumped as to what to do next. I will hook up the wires tomorrow to the oil pressure guage, VDO.

I will say that the little 1600cc engine will really cook when you step on the gas.

The engine sat after a rebuild/build for 10-15 years without being run.

It has Gene berg ported and polished intakes with Webber 40's. Ported and polished heads. Appear to be stock. Swivel rocker feet and after market rockers. I pulled the heads off when I got it to see what was there. Broken glass ans a little water in one of the cylinders, very recent. as I could wipe it out of the one cylinder and there was NO RUST. Phew! I don't know what is in the 'short block' but I suspect a counter balanced crank plus ?

There are NO fenders on the car and there won't be any in the future so one of those remote oil filters is out of the question.

I really do not want to pull the engine again if I don't have to.

Thanks for all your help.

Roger
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I have a61 Ragtop and a 69 Ghia Coupe