rust treatment in front windscreen area

[timbo777]

I am a newbie to bus restoration

Below are two pictures of my bus's front windscreen. any recomendations re treatment of the rust areas?

not sure whether it requires welding - I cannot weld (not yet anyway) , but hope I can rub down and prime this instead. There are no holes, and the area' seem quite solid, but the rust has eaten a bit of metal

[jeremyrockjock]

Wire wheel it with a grinder.

If any holes show through you can either weld them or leave them. Prime and seal the bare metal. Reinstall window. I sealed mine with POR15. Yours doesn't look bad. Here is how mine looked.

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[Stocknazi]

it looks like you will find some rust holes when you start cleaning it up with the brush wheel. the one pictured to on im using and it is quite aggressive, you may find some pinholes. i would recommend having someone weld up the small holes, or have it cut out and new metal replaced where needed. treat with por15 or rustbullet , and use a sealent when reinstalling your seals.
ive heard tar being used by have no experience with it.
i would not recommend just bondoing them up as bondo is not a permanent repair.
good luck
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[EverettB]

I had a Bus that looked like that.
I:
Wire wheeled/sanded it smooth
Taped off
Primed
Repainted using color-matched spray can
New windsheild rubber

Everything was fine - no leaks.

I was lucky in that the lip had no holes in it once it was cleaned up.
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[timbo777]

thanks for the advice

I am off to get a wire wheel grinder!

[Bongo]

That's not too bad Timbo, you need to get all the powdery rust off and use the wire wheel until it looks shiny again, then give a good coat of rust converter let it go off, sand back and do it agai a couple of times, then primer and match. You'll be amazed how good it will look. It's a relatively monor repair and you're lucky the rust hasn't got into the edges where the rubber sits.
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[felix ehrhardt]

Hi,

had the same problem...
I cleaned it with a wire wheel (as mentoined),but not with a twisted that is sometimes to rude for the part.Cleaned it to bare metal & welded those tiny holes...
The thing to look after is that you paint/spray with a filler after the primer or better a primer with filler.The filler fills all that pittings up,otherwise water will come in.At the end go with normal paint.

Best greetings,Felix

[felix ehrhardt]

Ahhhh forgot something I find mayor.... d
Drill small hole in each windowend to the B.pillar.This gives water the chance to drip out if a bit had come in cause the water couldn`t get out there otherwise.If you look at a typ-1 or a typ-3 they have got those waterholes and they often haven`t those problems around the windshield as the split (typ-2)...

Greetz,Felix

[Stocknazi]

felix, thats something i havent heard of doing. drilling a tiny hole seems like it would help in helping water out.
has anyone else heard of or done this before?
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[Bongo]

No, but it sounds like a damn good idea - just have to be sure of where it goes.
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[Wolfgang1]

And here`s the solution, if the rust was quicker than the restorer.....

You can buy it here:

http://www.autocraft2004.co.uk

It`s not cheap, but perfect quality!

The idea with the holes is good, BUT there must be a way for the water to get out!
The beetle a pillars have a hole/slot at the bottom, the bus not.

This water can ruin the lower front area (a pillar/nose)...be careful

I think its better to use a non silicone sealant for the window frames.

Wolfgang

[EverettB]

[Bongo]

Or don't drive in the rain.
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[felix ehrhardt]

Hi,

not that I will be misunderstud I drilled only 4mm holes so no waterfallholes.
I looked at my typ-3 there is the same solution without a special panel...
I had no problems with it,and with a good windshieldrubber there only comes minor water in.And "if" it yust drips on the parcelshelf.
The holes even help to get air in there that the water can better condense.
Problem is that the angle of the windshieldframe doesn`t allow the water to come out !
A other solution woulb be to weld there a little pipe on with a tube that the water can get away as it is done with slidingroofs.That would be the king-solution

Best wishes,Felix

@Wolfgang : Sehr schön hier auch mal einen Deutschen zu sehen,ansonsten sind Deutsche hier so rar wie ein Glatzkopf-kasten oder eine Behrhutze Die Klapptürsache in der Bullikartei schaucht echt gut aus,saubere Arbeit !

[timbo777]

thanks for all the advice, idea's etc. I will grind, hopefully no holes, prime/fill and paint. And probably drill a couple of holes as well!!

[Stocknazi]

thanks for the advise on drilling holes. i didnt think about the water getting out, thats not good. after what everett said i will probabally not drill them. i think ill use a good sealer instead with my new rubber.
later on
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[NorCalWeekender]

Dang, I haven't dared to take out my windows yet...I can see where the rust is literally blossoming. I bet the whole thing would crumble if I took the windows out. And at that rate, I'm not getting them to go back in without doing some real metal work.
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[Major Woody]

Hi Taylor,
After you get the windows out and the rusted areas treated, we recommend you install the new seals with some kind of sealant to keep the water from getting in there again. We have tried a number of things over the years and the best solution we have come up with for the rainy PNW is roofing tar. We put a bead on the seal's lip and a bit more on the inner lip as a lubricant, and then pull the seal in with soft 18 ga. automotive electrical cord. We have found that nylon rope and other abrasive or stiff cords tend to damage the rubber--BTDT!!!
Send us an email if you are interested in learning some other, more "special" ways of using roofing tar in your day-to-day life.
Good luck with your project!
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[Wolfgang1]

@Felix: Danke für das Lob! Sind wir hier echt so rar? Eigentlich ein Wunder, daß nicht mehr dt. Bullianer hierher flüchten, im Bullikartei Forum ist ja (fast) nix los!
Hab grad den nächsten Satz Klapptüren in Arbeit:

(The next set of cargo doors is in progress....):

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