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olivierfr
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Hi Olivier,
From taking a quick look at the pictures you've supplied I think the model shown is a little too large for a VW application.
The model universally used for VW applications is the Fram F3P, (for vehicles up to 2800cc) whether it's the blue German Fram or the Orange US Fram. The one show in the pictures is marked F3 - AP and looks a good bit larger as it has a double bracket.
I'm sure you've read the varying opinions of the validity of the two versions (in other threads on this site) as you say you're not concerned with the colour. Size, however does matter in this case.
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Envious
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olivierfr
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Whoo ! great !
I see the top of the original canister isn't like the 'nos' sold by flat4 , and more like mine.
Are you the owner of this great thing ?
If yes could you give the diameter and height please ?
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Really nices picture ! |
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Envious
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No, it's not mine. It used to belong to a guy from the site that I buy parts from frequently. Here's mine. Mine is the Porsche style rather than the VW.
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53 0val
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I would much rather use the Porsche style than the "orange" type. If I had a "John Deere" it would be perfect. 
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I would much rather use the Porsche style than the "orange" type. If I had a "John Deere" it would be perfect.
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Why get a John Deere? There are Porsche-powered farm tractors too. |
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buggen
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No, it's not mine. It used to belong to a guy from the site that I buy parts from frequently. Here's mine. Mine is the Porsche style rather than the VW.
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What makes this one a Porsche one? Looks just the orange ones but paint blue. From what I can see the labels all look the same as the orange ones. |
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| What makes this one a Porsche one? Looks just the orange ones but paint blue. From what I can see the labels all look the same as the orange ones. |
53Oval would be the likely person to know but I believe all of the examples on this page are Fram F3 filters. As he pointed out though, the orange version was marketed for industrial use. I don't think there is any difference besides the paint and decals.
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buggen
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| What makes this one a Porsche one? Looks just the orange ones but paint blue. From what I can see the labels all look the same as the orange ones. |
53Oval would be the likely person to know but I believe all of the examples on this page are Fram F3 filters. As he pointed out though, the orange version was marketed for industrial use. I don't think there is any difference besides the paint and decals.
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Here is the one on my Okrasa I got it from Joe R about 9 years ago. Stickers look the same. Looks like I will just be painting mine blue!
The orange one above is super late, there are a million of those out there. I have even seen them on the shelves of older auto parts stores.
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53 0val
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Porsche used a different can. The blue ones and the orange ones pictured are in fact the same with the exception of the OG VW one. That one shares the same top as the one's used on early 356's. I would still rather use an OG 356 can and fittings over any Fram type 3 with the exception of of the VW one. Paint it blue or orange....... it's still a tractor part, but the blue sure looks better. ( and I would NEVER use a Flat 4 filter for anything period.)
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bill may
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what we seem to have here is- Bob is giving correct info for a restoration. another guy seems to be saying -they are the same part but ,different color.i myself would rather have correct info than--- just use it,it works the same.
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John Moxon
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| what we seem to have here is- Bob is giving correct info for a resteration. another guy seems to be saying -they are the same part but ,different color.i myself would rather have correct info than--- just use it,it works the same. |
No what I think were talking about is the validity of 2 versions of an after-market accessory. The Porsche/Okrasa subject is a side issue; Porsche, Silver...Okrasa, generally blue.
If you lived in mainland Europe and you wanted a Fram by-pass oil filter your stockist would supply you with a Blue German Fram. If you lived in the US and you wanted a Fram by-pass oil filter your stockist would supply you with an Orange US Fram.
On the subject of them being made for industrial engines or tractors, reading the Fram installation leaflet it makes no other distinction than they're made for use with an internal combustion engine. You'll also find the orange Fram commonly used on a Willys Jeep so I'm told, so what?
So if you want to be correct when finishing an Okrasa installation...go for the blue. Porsche, it has to be silver, if you want OEM VW, obviously the blue VW (anyone know where I can get one?).
For all other applications you can take your pick. If it's a period accessory it's right, whether it's blue, silver, orange, or pink polka-dots. 
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OMT
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Hello John,
Not to be a "nit picker" here. Later Porsche 356 & 912 did have silver filters; made by Mann. What about earlier versions? 356 3 piece case engines were equipped with orange Fram cans and silver Mann cans.
The earliest 2 piece case engines had green Mann cans and orange Fram cans, with the wing nut on top. I have never seen a blue Fram can on these early cars. I'm not saying it never happened. Don't forget about the oil drain on the bottom of the can for the first version of these bypass oil filters.
And what about that full flow filter for the Denzel engines? Anyone got info on those?
Damt, and what about the oil lines and fittings.....my head is spinning now.
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MJMarkham
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On the subject of these bypass filters, would it be heresy to install one of these on my early 40hp? The idea of a filter on the motor is sound, but i hate the modern filter look on the older engines. Is it a workable thing? Is it unheard of to do this?
And that Okrasa in the Ghia, that is a beautiful thing...
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53 0val
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Hello John,
Not to be a "nit picker" here. Later Porsche 356 & 912 did have silver filters; made by Mann. What about earlier versions? 356 3 piece case engines were equipped with orange Fram cans and silver Mann cans.
The earliest 2 piece case engines had green Mann cans and orange Fram cans, with the wing nut on top. I have never seen a blue Fram can on these early cars. I'm not saying it never happened. Don't forget about the oil drain on the bottom of the can for the first version of these bypass oil filters.
And what about that full flow filter for the Denzel engines? Anyone got info on those?
Damt, and what about the oil lines and fittings.....my head is spinning now.
Later,
Al
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My '53 pre A had a Mann filter.......I would rather put a silver Mann can on any VW before I put on an orange Fram can. Ugly is still ugly and those orange cans say "look at ugly me." 
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buggen
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| OMT wrote: |
Hello John,
Not to be a "nit picker" here. Later Porsche 356 & 912 did have silver filters; made by Mann. What about earlier versions? 356 3 piece case engines were equipped with orange Fram cans and silver Mann cans.
The earliest 2 piece case engines had green Mann cans and orange Fram cans, with the wing nut on top. I have never seen a blue Fram can on these early cars. I'm not saying it never happened. Don't forget about the oil drain on the bottom of the can for the first version of these bypass oil filters.
And what about that full flow filter for the Denzel engines? Anyone got info on those?
Damt, and what about the oil lines and fittings.....my head is spinning now.
Later,
Al
Lots of filters, lots of colours, lots of styles, lots of confusion. |
My '53 pre A had a Mann filter.......I would rather put a silver Mann can on any VW before I put on an orange Fram can. Ugly is still ugly and those orange cans say "look at ugly me." |
I think they look great and would rather have an orange one on my Okrasa that none. |
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53 0val
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Hurry up you "orange" guys. There's one on eBay and it's at $20.......about what it's worth. You don't have much time left before the tractor guys jump in.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NOS-FRAM-OIL-FILTER...6582QQrdZ1
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