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RockStock
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 Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:06 pm Post subject: The 1959 Okrasa Lowlight |
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so, what does everyone think to this Lowlight?
some of the bodywork looks a little suspect (i think the worst of the bodywork is not depicted in the new ad), but the okrasa engine and the car's provenance definitely adds up to a desirable Coupe
i thought the daughter of the og owner wanted it to go to a good home (having pulled the first ebay auction a couple of weeks back), yet it is now being sold by a dealer? perhaps she has commissioned fred
1 day 6 hrs to go, and currently $11 970
predictions on final price?
Bay #4594511046
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Volkswagen-Karmann-...enameZWDVW
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coad 
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There's a thread from the first auction with a lot of good information:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=139051
If I were looking for an early coupe I would be all over that, especially with the original documentation on the engine and all.
My guess? $14,000-- more than that and I want a convertible. |
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RockStock
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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There's a thread from the first auction with a lot of good information:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=139051
If I were looking for an early coupe I would be all over that, especially with the original documentation on the engine and all.
My guess? $14,000-- more than that and I want a convertible. |
cheers coad, sorry, hadnt really read that one
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Broadacus
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:51 pm Post subject: 59 Lowlight |
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Wake up Mr Rockstock  I e mailed you about the car this week!!  If the correct six numbers had of come up last saturday, me bid would have been in, only need it for the literature, to complete my collection
Would have put the engine in the Graphite Silver!!
Where did you find that new UK Lowlight cab hiding 
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RockStock
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:18 pm Post subject: Re: 59 Lowlight |
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| Wake up Mr Rockstock I e mailed you about the car this week!! |
mate, i couldn't have got that one?? only got the porn??
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| If the correct six numbers had of come up last saturday, me bid would have been in, only need it for the literature, to complete my collection |
BB, we all know you have more money that paul mccartney
go save it from the Germans!!
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| Would have put the engine in the Graphite Silver!! |
i wouldnt let you rape a LL like that!
you'd be out of the dream team, quick as fergie getting shot of that legend keano, no remorse (nice idea tho')
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| Where did you find that new UK Lowlight cab hiding |
mate, have known about it for a while
just the player was a little shy in showing the world!!!
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coad
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Well come on! I stepped up and said $14,000.
What's anyone else's number here? |
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retrowagen
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I think it's missing a headlight ring! Also, I think lowlights look odd with narrow-striped whitewalls.
The engine and provenance are intriguing, though. Too bad she's structurally and somewhat cosmetically decadent.
I'll bet she reaches $12k and the seller has a reserve of something nutty like $15k. The body appears to be pretty rust-ic. IMHO, $10K is top money for a lowlight in this condition, with an Okrasa and papers.
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grailoc
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When I see current bid I think that I have made a very very good deal for my low light listed last year on thesamba.
Ok, I have no okrasa engine, but body and interior of mine are really untouched and all is original, upholstery, carpet, dash board, headliner, engine...
I think that like retrowagen, in comparaison of mine 10 000$ is a max.
But if we compare to buses, current lowlight prices are not higher than we could expect. I think that one of the upcoming days lowlight prices will increase more and more.
It's time to make lowlight investment!
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rarefinds
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| so, what does everyone think to this Lowlight? |
I think it's missing a headlight ring! Also, I think lowlights look odd with narrow-striped whitewalls.
The engine and provenance are intriguing, though. Too bad she's structurally and somewhat cosmetically decadent.
I'll bet she reaches $12k and the seller has a reserve of something nutty like $15k. The body appears to be pretty rust-ic. IMHO, $10K is top money for a lowlight in this condition, with an Okrasa and papers. |
Dave, I agree that you are very close to the value @ $10k, though I am being selfish and would like to see it go for alot more. I have a 56' lowlight with 29k miles with documentation. The original owner installed a 356 super in it in 1959. $15k wouldn't touch it even without the original motor!! Then again, I am not in the frame of mind to sell it anyway. Always worth more when it belong to you, right! |
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swanlakers
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 10:40 am Post subject: |
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| I just hope that the new owner does not over-restore. A good detailing, and maybe repair that rust over the wheel without a respray is what that ghia cries out for. Its only original once. |
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Broadacus
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Wow! That must be a first, 9 hours 46 minutes to go and the price on E bay has dropped  Now the reserve has not been met. Someones got cold feet after reading this thread.
As previously stated, if six numbers had come up last saturday it would be coming to this side of the pond. A car is only worth what someone will give for it and as we have just witnessed, somebody got cold feet and pulled the plug.
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retrowagen
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| *SNIP*value @ $10k, though I am being selfish and would like to see it go for alot more |
Whenever a truly original, unrestored, undamaged, complete, honest car goes for good money, it's a very good thing for those of us who care about keeping the intrigue and history of the Karmann-Ghias going.
The flip side is that cars that are quite marginal (i.e., parts cars or money pit projects) then tend to escalate in price, as the vendors tend to think, "Hey, a '58 Ghia just sold for $25k; I bet the one in my field here must be worth at least $10k; let me get the backhoe and dig it up and post an ad!"
Likewise, there can also be a (dangerous) impulse for the hobbyist "restorer" to think along those same lines... "A skim coat, shiny paint, new TMI interior and carpet kit... install that 1,776 I have in the buggy, some quality new EMPI parts, and this little peach will fetch me $25k too!"
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Most people don't realize what a big deal this concept is! Did any of you read/witness the debacle about the slammed Papler Polizeiwagen coachbuilt elsewhere on this forum a few weeks ago? Case in point.
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coad
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I think you guys are all to low on the price. I mean, I think I could buy that car, remove the Okrasa and sell it on ebay and still wind up with a car I could sell for $9500.
Not that I would, just saying that the Okrasa is worth a chunk. |
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rarefinds
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| I am afraid that the car has some serious issues under the paint. Hate to say it but we all know that Ghias rust. Located in Pennsylvania. Could be a bondo bucket. When the seller mentions that there could be problems under the paint, you need to take that into account. Might be tough to get $$$ without the Okrasa.. |
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EdW
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| I am afraid that the car has some serious issues under the paint. Hate to say it but we all know that Ghias rust. Located in Pennsylvania. Could be a bondo bucket. When the seller mentions that there could be problems under the paint, you need to take that into account. Might be tough to get $$$ without the Okrasa.. |
I tend to agree with you, no shots of the underneath and the only spare tire well shot doesn't give you a view down into the depths of the wheel well. Plus, this shot here shows some pretty crusty rust and I swear I see some bondo in there:
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iowegian
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| I am afraid that the car has some serious issues under the paint. Hate to say it but we all know that Ghias rust. Located in Pennsylvania. Could be a bondo bucket. When the seller mentions that there could be problems under the paint, you need to take that into account. Might be tough to get $$$ without the Okrasa.. |
I tend to agree with you, no shots of the underneath and the only spare tire well shot doesn't give you a view down into the depths of the wheel well. Plus, this shot here shows some pretty crusty rust and I swear I see some bondo in there:
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Yup-- that's rust and Bondo, Ed. Your getting pretty good at this Ghia stuff,
aren't you. |
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Broadacus
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rarefinds
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Volkswagen-Karmann-...dZViewItem
"A skim coat, shiny paint, new TMI interior and carpet kit... install that 1,776 I have in the buggy, some quality new EMPI parts, and this little peach will fetch me $25k too!"
Dave, you have it right!
oh almost forgot, make sure to take photos on a real crappy day so that all of the problems won't show up. Buy It Now $10k?
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grailoc
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retrowagen
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| maybe we should all bid for this little gem |
Ha ha ha! The "1959 Karmann Ghia Coup." As in coup de grace? As in, give this car the coup de grace?!!
The ad text opines,
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That's true; I'd be turning my head away! 
(Apologies to whoever owns this car. All jesting meant in good fun. At least it runs, which is more than can be said of most 1959 Karmann Ghias!)
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