Clutches - what pressure plate with what throwout bearing

[sjbartnik]

That throwout bearing is rebuildable too.
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[revhead]

[sjbartnik]

Yes you can buy a new throwout bearing but the new ones available are not rebuildable and may or may not play well with that style of pressure plate. I have had issues trying to get a new style throwout bearing to work with the old style 3-finger pressure plate. If you do get a new one, go for a Sachs German one.
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2000 Kawasaki W650

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[sjbartnik]

There were two versions of that old-style throwout bearing (two that I know of anyway), they are both ball bearings but the older one has the balls in a metal cage while the later version has the balls in a plastic cage. Since yours is frozen I'm wondering if it's one of the older style with the metal cage.

It may not be salvageable if the balls are corroded to the cage. At least with the plastic cage, you don't have to worry about the balls seizing to the cage and you can pull it all apart and lube it back up.

You cannot buy just the ball bearings and cage for the earlier style bearing.
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[revhead]

It appeared like a plastic cage. Other than grease that was hardened up I didn’t see corrosion. If it will free and clean up I will attempt a repack. Or were you implying that the plastic version was available? Thanks

[sjbartnik]

Here's the thread on rebuilding the throwout bearing:

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=665572&start=0
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[revhead]

Thanks. I had already carefully pried the metal shields off (I’ve done this before on GM idler bearings). It soaked overnight in diesel. I put it lightly in the vise and grabbed with channel locks and it still didn’t move. I scrubbed with a nylon brush, rinsed again then filled with PB Blaster. Try again tomorrow.

[Double-Double]

I have a 70 with the early style setup and looking to get a stronger pressure plate without going to a Kennedy stage 1 or something else as I still want ease of driveability on my car and don’t want premature wear or abuse. Has anyone ever used the “Porsche” style pressure plate from CB Performance?

https://www.cbperformance.com/product-p/1323.htm

It looks like it should be a bit stronger but not as extreme as some of the racing clutches. I just want something that hold a tad bit more as I am planning on a 1776 build and I currently have 215/75R15 BF Goodrich KO2 tires that weigh probably twice as much as the stock tires.[/i]

[revhead]

No go on that throwout bearing. Replacing. So since I liked the 9 spring pressure plate so much I decided to keep it. It and the flywheel cleaned up nicely. So I bought a clutch plate. It looks identical. Same diameter, springs, hub length, rivers, it just a tad thicker since the old one was warn of course. When I mount it with the centering tool however and tighten down the pressure plate, the three center arms on the enter plate push out to a point where it seems to be there’s little to no travel left for the throwout bearing to disengage it. It put the old disc back in and while it’s a little better it doesn’t seem great either. Kind of baffled.

[chgrec]

Posting this question here since I think I may have a mismatch, or at least want to rule that out.

I installed my B series 1600 (from early 1968) into my 63 bus with a 1966 transaxle and the clutch would not release even with the pedal set to proper height. Engine starts fine in neutral and the gears shift fine if the engine is off but pressing the clutch in and trying to shift while the engine is running, you can feel the gear trying to engage

I figured the pilot bearing froze up or something so I pulled the engine out The pilot is fine and rotates well when using the alignment shaft. It seems I have the proper throw out bearing & lever (the lever is a new part and not clipped in yet so it looks off), clutch & pressure plate...I just need confirmation just to make sure after reading all of these posts!

I'd hate to put the engine back in until I can figure out what is sticking or causing the clutch to not release, any ideas?

Thanks!

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[sjbartnik]

[kreemoweet]

There are at least some "sprung" clutch disks that are not compatible with the
3-arm pressure plates, due to interference. You might have to use a "solid" clutch
disk with that pressure plate. I hope not, because I have one exactly like it, and
all my clutch disks are "sprung" like the one you show.
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[sjbartnik]

After installing the engine, when you fire it up and push the clutch, if it goes SKREEEEEEEEEEEEEE then it's not compatible.
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[Chickensoup]

Please Help

I have a 65 type 1 transaxle, a late model 200mm pressure plate without the ring, and the matching through out bearings. which clutch cross shaft do I need??

thank you
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[vwracerdave]

You can not use a late throw out bearing on an early transaxle. The late T/O bearing must also have the guide sleeve, and there is no way to mount it on an pre '71 transaxle.

You can get the P/P center ring seperatly to use with the early transaxle and T/O bearing. https://www.cbperformance.com/product-p/1315.htm
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[ashman40]

[Chickensoup]

awsome! thank you guys very much.

so i already own the stock original TO bearing as well as this one.

could you guys please identity which version the TO bearing pictured is? so in colaboration with my late model clutch, a centering ring, and a pre 71 TO bearing i should be set to go?

much thanks
soup
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'65 Tourist Delivery Build
'66 RIP
'69 RIP
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[vwracerdave]

Instead of being lazy how about you go back to page one of this thread and learn what YOU need.
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