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PostPosted: Today 7:38 am    Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale Reply with quote

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Let me clarify. Although it was a touch irritating I am not whining about missing the buy. I am posting this up here because I think people are bending honest hobbyist over a barrel. I have my personal issues with amazon and walmart too. The guy that sold the bus initially priced it at what I felt was a good price, I was talking to him about logistics of getting the bus and missed out. The person that has it posted now is taking advantage and trying to make a massive profit on absolutely nothing other than a roadtrip. If he does, I guess more power to him. I do however take issue with the flipper mentality of making massive profits. Turn it for a little profit and allow someone to still maybe get a half decent deal? I think it all boils down to greed for me. Presumptuous? Probably. Irritating? Maybe not for some, for me, yes.


I personally don't really do the flipper thing, but I don't get wrapped around the axel when others do. I do buy out large hoards of stuff when I find it and I pay as little as possible for it, but if you see me at swap meets I will be selling stuff cheaper than anyone else. I do it for fun, I enjoy the hunt and love swap meets, my absolute favorite part of car shows, but I always make dick for money, I just like doing it and enjoy the banter of people trying to score a deal. But don't get me wrong I always take some rare stuff and that's where I try to make profit, I need to eat too. I have had people buy my stuff and I see it at their spot for much more than I sold it to them for, I am OK with it because I like to watch them pack it up and take it home at the end of the day. It always sucks to loose out on a deal you have been working on, I always leave a deposit on stuff once a price has been agreed upon. I was actually thinking when I saw the ad for this bus that if I was closer I would offer 20K for this bus if it had the M code plate and proper paperwork. I really want a non deluxe sunroof bus to the point I am going to fake it with my 11 window.
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PostPosted: Today 7:34 am    Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale Reply with quote

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Let me clarify. Although it was a touch irritating I am not whining about missing the buy. I am posting this up here because I think people are bending honest hobbyist over a barrel. I have my personal issues with amazon and walmart too. The guy that sold the bus initially priced it at what I felt was a good price, I was talking to him about logistics of getting the bus and missed out. The person that has it posted now is taking advantage and trying to make a massive profit on absolutely nothing other than a roadtrip. If he does, I guess more power to him. I do however take issue with the flipper mentality of making massive profits. Turn it for a little profit and allow someone to still maybe get a half decent deal? I think it all boils down to greed for me. Presumptuous? Probably. Irritating? Maybe not for some, for me, yes.
We live in a market economy, greed is relative. There is a simple way to undercut all of these greedy flippers though, just offer sellers full market value. That way, the flipper can't make any money on it, and you don't have to feel bad about being greedy an taking advantage of an uneducated seller. In that way, you are trading the potential loss of a good deal for a good bus. Plus you can sleep easier at night knowing that you have 10K or whatever less in your bank account.

We drive cool cars that many people want. They used to be cheap, but that was a different time. Any cheap bus means someone is getting screwed whether they know it or not.
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PostPosted: Today 6:10 am    Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale Reply with quote

Let me clarify. Although it was a touch irritating I am not whining about missing the buy. I am posting this up here because I think people are bending honest hobbyist over a barrel. I have my personal issues with amazon and walmart too. The guy that sold the bus initially priced it at what I felt was a good price, I was talking to him about logistics of getting the bus and missed out. The person that has it posted now is taking advantage and trying to make a massive profit on absolutely nothing other than a roadtrip. If he does, I guess more power to him. I do however take issue with the flipper mentality of making massive profits. Turn it for a little profit and allow someone to still maybe get a half decent deal? I think it all boils down to greed for me. Presumptuous? Probably. Irritating? Maybe not for some, for me, yes.
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PostPosted: Today 5:51 am    Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale Reply with quote

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Another flipper whine. I was talking to the guy that sold this in Nebraska. I had touched base with him and bus was in storage. Told him I was interested in bus and apparently someone called him and bought it. 10k. I am disregarding the fact that the seller sold it out from under me, que sera. Really though he has done nothing to it and now it is a 24k bus? This sector of vws is getting ridiculous. Fortunstely there are still some honest deals out there. The flipping thing I guess is what I am whining about


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Everett, I suppose there is another 65 sunroof with absolutely no suspension and eberspacher heater that matches the few pictures that were sent to me only a month ago by the seller from facebook. It is also possible that it has changed hands at least once during that time. It seems unlikely, but anything is possible.


I cant fault the guy for seeing a chance to make a profit and going through the hassle and risk of investing and transporting etc... I have had busses sold out from under me and yes it sucks, but I wouldn't consider it sold out from under me if I had the chance to buy it and was sleeping at the wheel. For that bus I would have pulled money from the bank like it September 1929. That's more rare than a 23 or 21 or 15 window bus. Sold out from under you is when you tell a guy you are on your way on a four hour trip with a truck and trailer and cash in hand (pre internet / PayPal etc... so no deposit) and it was sold during the trip up.

We complain about people "flipping" cars on here but we have no problem hitting up Amazon or Walmart for flipping cheap foreign junk!
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PostPosted: Today 5:10 am    Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale Reply with quote

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Another flipper whine. I was talking to the guy that sold this in Nebraska. I had touched base with him and bus was in storage. Told him I was interested in bus and apparently someone called him and bought it. 10k. I am disregarding the fact that the seller sold it out from under me, que sera. Really though he has done nothing to it and now it is a 24k bus? This sector of vws is getting ridiculous. Fortunstely there are still some honest deals out there. The flipping thing I guess is what I am whining about


I want to know how he knows this fact:
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Everett, I suppose there is another 65 sunroof with absolutely no suspension and eberspacher heater that matches the few pictures that were sent to me only a month ago by the seller from facebook. It is also possible that it has changed hands at least once during that time. It seems unlikely, but anything is possible.
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PostPosted: Today 5:02 am    Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale Reply with quote

I suppose a $14k markup will definitely pay the shop rent. I imagine thereís fees and such with holding a car dealer license there in California, too.
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PostPosted: Yesterday 10:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale Reply with quote

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Another flipper whine. I was talking to the guy that sold this in Nebraska. I had touched base with him and bus was in storage. Told him I was interested in bus and apparently someone called him and bought it. 10k. I am disregarding the fact that the seller sold it out from under me, que sera. Really though he has done nothing to it and now it is a 24k bus? This sector of vws is getting ridiculous. Fortunstely there are still some honest deals out there. The flipping thing I guess is what I am whining about

I saw this bus posted on FB market place. I called and talked to the seller for over 30 minutes ( super nice guy) and decided to pass on the bus because in the state that it was in it would have been a hassle to transport. I passed it on to greg. He jumped on it because he earns a living doing buses and saw a profit to be made. If you think driving half way across the country and transporting a vehicle with zero running gear is "nothing" then you must have never done it. It sounds like you slept on this one. If you had your foot in the door before it hit the open market you should have pushed harder. the guy I spoke to sounded like a motivated seller. Dont be afraid to flash cash and put down a deposit because until you do you have no claim to it. As far as the profit margin I know if I had driven for 3 days and spent close to a grand on fuel and dealt with loading a shell of a bus in freezing cold temps i would want to get everything I could out of the bus too. esp if it meant the difference between paying my shop rent or not
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PostPosted: Yesterday 9:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale Reply with quote

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https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2328835

Another flipper whine. I was talking to the guy that sold this in Nebraska. I had touched base with him and bus was in storage. Told him I was interested in bus and apparently someone called him and bought it. 10k. I am disregarding the fact that the seller sold it out from under me, que sera. Really though he has done nothing to it and now it is a 24k bus? This sector of vws is getting ridiculous. Fortunstely there are still some honest deals out there. The flipping thing I guess is what I am whining about


I want to know how he knows this fact:
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PostPosted: Yesterday 8:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale Reply with quote

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https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2328835

Another flipper whine. I was talking to the guy that sold this in Nebraska. I had touched base with him and bus was in storage. Told him I was interested in bus and apparently someone called him and bought it. 10k. I am disregarding the fact that the seller sold it out from under me, que sera. Really though he has done nothing to it and now it is a 24k bus? This sector of vws is getting ridiculous. Fortunstely there are still some honest deals out there. The flipping thing I guess is what I am whining about


Now the bus goes longer before ever being fixed up, and costs a LOT more to whatever enthusiast that actually ends up fixing it to keep by the time they pay the flipper his ďfeeĒ. At least it didnít have many parts left to strip.

Thatís one good thing about the complete reproduction bus shells that are out now... donít feel like giving a flipper $24k, and his $14k overnight profit on a rusty bus he paid $10k for ?

Get a 23w for $17k instead!

https://classicsteelbody.com/

I canít help but wonder how much this is responsible for the softening of split bus prices that is underway.
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PostPosted: Yesterday 5:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale Reply with quote

I am not saying I did not miss out. I was in the middle of talking to the guy about how I was going to get it on a trailer after 2 days of talking to him and he texted back, "I sold it." Oh well. I just have a problem with someone doing absolutely nothing turning around and trying to get 24 for it. Call me an idealist.....I also believe some things just aren't meant to be. Going to pick up our new '60 kombi project this weekend, so I am glad I got passed up.
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PostPosted: Yesterday 4:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale Reply with quote

Emeraldlion wrote:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2328835

Another flipper whine. I was talking to the guy that sold this in Nebraska. I had touched base with him and bus was in storage. Told him I was interested in bus and apparently someone called him and bought it. 10k. I am disregarding the fact that the seller sold it out from under me, que sera. Really though he has done nothing to it and now it is a 24k bus? This sector of vws is getting ridiculous. Fortunstely there are still some honest deals out there. The flipping thing I guess is what I am whining about


I dont know man. You may have snoozed. Im not that all into split windows, but dang, walk through, rag top standard with an eberspacher? Some seriously cool M Codes. Looks like OG paint too. For 10k? Shocked Shit Id of probably jumped on it.
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PostPosted: Yesterday 4:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale Reply with quote

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2328835

Another flipper whine. I was talking to the guy that sold this in Nebraska. I had touched base with him and bus was in storage. Told him I was interested in bus and apparently someone called him and bought it. 10k. I am disregarding the fact that the seller sold it out from under me, que sera. Really though he has done nothing to it and now it is a 24k bus? This sector of vws is getting ridiculous. Fortunstely there are still some honest deals out there. The flipping thing I guess is what I am whining about
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PostPosted: Yesterday 12:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale Reply with quote

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usually when people use the word concourse in their description they get ripped apart in this forum. I found little to whine about on this one except maybe the price and the distributor wasn't correct. Anyone else spot something I didn't?


1958 and a brakelight decklid, don't need to look much further, although I am seeing several more things that you've missed.

I did notice the deck lid but I was figuring he might have gotten the year wrong as others have mentioned he doesn't seem vw savvy


Ad says VIN is 274366, which is before the bumper change. August 1957. As some people think the model year change was always Aug 1, maybe that's why they called it a 58.

Incorrect cargo door handle orientation.
should not have the rubber on the steering column bracket.
I like the black torsion end covers and the red contrast where they bolt on.
too much red underneath, which is how painters like to do it.
correct safari latch orientation
dash grab handle?
didn't look much, but I am not seeing a lot of issues..

"Under the hood of this Ď58 Microbus.." seems odd. What hood?
why not show the taillights?


What bumper change are you referring to? I am not aware of one anywhere near that chassis #. It would be a whole year later before the overrider bumpers arrived. Should be late '57-'58 only decklid, not centre brake light. I would call it a 1958 model year by that chassis #. Maybe a centre brakelight decklid was added to the '58 taillights for added braking visibility? Hard to know without seeing taillights.


Oops, brain fart when I read the post I responded to. For some reason I thought he was talking about the bumpers . ha ha.
Yes, originally a flat decklid bus.

- Missing dash tray fabric.
- As mentioned, it should not have a church key holder on kick panel until late 61. Church key goes in door pocket. T shaped. This is a common mistake. In my panel install tips, I added a mention of NOT using the church key holder for earlier splits. Not so many people know the details from having had the opportunity and interest to look at og buses. Stock restos are hard. Smile
- Does it have six long spoons?

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There aren't so many nits to pick on this one. Wink
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PostPosted: Yesterday 11:46 am    Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale Reply with quote

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1958 and a brakelight decklid, don't need to look much further, although I am seeing several more things that you've missed.


Educate us Brendan. What else are you seeing? I see an August of 1957 US delivered bus with wrong paint colors in places and a missing drink tray ashtray but what else?

Maybe taillights? The ad pictures are not super helpful.


The brakelight decklid is a big issue. Yes, you could put on the correct later flat lid but then painting it to match at this point isn't easy, especially for a "concours" level Bus.

The rubber knee knocker didn't come out till later so it doesn't belong.

There's a rubber boot on the e brake which also didn't come about till much later so it doesn't belong.

Yes, the missing ashtray you mentioned.

Inner cargo door handle orientation is wrong.

Fat base mirror arms almost certainly are repros. Note that the bend radiuses are way too sharp. The originals were not as abrupt and had a softer radius, especially the passenger's side. At least the attempt was made to get that detail right which is much more than most guys do, but just not a "concours" level of accuracy.

Undercarriage paint is way overdone. Way too much heavy red paint down there, over restored, clean and nice, but again, not consistent with concours claims.

A major pet peeve is the saw tooth fan belt. They never left the factory like that and it's such an easy detail to get right if you give a couple moments of attention.

Wrong style church key and shouldn't have a holder this early, would have been stored in door pocket.

Headliner on the B pillars lacks the rectangular pressed board that smooths out the stamping just above the seat backrest. That detail is incredibly commonly missed and guys just mold the material to the shape of the transition which is not the way the factory did it.

Were the hubcap logos still red in 1958 or did that end during the Wolfsburg era?

Should the turn signal switch housing be ivory or black? I believe I've seen them both ways over the years, can't say for sure if that is right or not.

I'm certain that seeing more pics would show more.

Make no mistake, it's a beautiful Bus, but with that kind of price on a 1958 and claims of "concours", it's an invitation to get really picky.

What else does anyone see?
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PostPosted: Yesterday 7:37 am    Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale Reply with quote

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When experiencing that daunting task at slowly chipping away the original petrified seal you will never forget where it belongs. Wink

someone else who understands the struggle!!!

Who here hasn't pulled out the little cord in the middle. Zipppppp!
Then the chipping begins
yes half of the seal usually ends up in my eye while chipping Laughing
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Quote (1 of only 3,514 Microbus Deluxes ever made! ) Shocked
That would be the number of deluxe microbuses made in 1957. There were 4342 made in 1958 and a heck of a lot more if you want to say ever made!
Overall it is a very nice bus with a few small details that could be easily fixed sans the decklid which I wouldn't have a problem with either. I would like to see which taillights it is running too. Proper K3235 glass, Euro's or U.S. spec. bubbles and reflectors to match the decklid ?
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ezcamper wrote:
EverettB wrote:
sled wrote:
55bundt wrote:
When experiencing that daunting task at slowly chipping away the original petrified seal you will never forget where it belongs. Wink

someone else who understands the struggle!!!

Who here hasn't pulled out the little cord in the middle. Zipppppp!
Then the chipping begins


I try not to pull the cord in the middle..... wait, are we talking about different things???.......


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sled wrote:
55bundt wrote:
When experiencing that daunting task at slowly chipping away the original petrified seal you will never forget where it belongs. Wink

someone else who understands the struggle!!!

Who here hasn't pulled out the little cord in the middle. Zipppppp!
Then the chipping begins


I try not to pull the cord in the middle..... wait, are we talking about different things???.......
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55bundt wrote:
When experiencing that daunting task at slowly chipping away the original petrified seal you will never forget where it belongs. Wink

someone else who understands the struggle!!!

Who here hasn't pulled out the little cord in the middle. Zipppppp!
Then the chipping begins
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