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Clara Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:09 am Post subject: Re: Factory-attached tent from the factory tent attaching factory |
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I don't think they are trying to say it's the original paint, just that it is the original color. Also that they like the color.
My 56 westy is the original color of highly desirable Dove Blue. It has been repainted.
If the original paint had been decent under the re-paint when I got it, it would still be og paint with blending, but no, too many deep sanding scratches.
Without the campingbox decal on the bulkhead box, most people wouldn't recognize a mid 50s westy as a westy.
But the SO-42 is set up so closely to the 68-73 set up that they sold so many of, it is vastly more widely recognised. That kit has been enjoyed by many people. So the SO-42 is more iconic, and the 50s westys are more bus nerd buses.
I think I just called you a bus nerd.
$60K for a SO-42? Seems high to me.
here are ads for 65-67 westys in the classifieds:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/search.php...ton=Search
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I don't think an SO42 is the Holy Grail or that walk through is rare, and I didn't know velvet green was highly desirable. I'd rather a bulkhead patina early 50's Campingbox for 60K.
Interesting way he posted the description of color because that is very shiny for original
"*Original Color of Highly Desirable Velvet Green."
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hitest Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:02 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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And here's the Yin to that Yan- a (very likely) OG velvet paint Westy presented in one of the sales ads on this site.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2190717 _________________
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azbob Samba Member
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srfndoc Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:38 pm Post subject: Re: Factory-attached tent from the factory tent attaching factory |
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Craig wrote: |
This might be my first whine other than chiming in.
This a nice SO 42 from appearances and I hope the seller gets every penny he asks. I am glad to see that I also have the holy grail of all VW campers.
The tent probably didn’t come attached from the factory nor can it be attached today because there is no rail for the boot.
I cannot determine if it is an early or late ‘67 because the photos show only two sides of the bus, but the dash does not deserve that plastic-bezeled radio from a bay, and I’m curious to know if someone hacked an early ‘67 radio hole to fit it, or if it hides an earlier alteration.
Can those be the original black plates? JAH### seems too early in the alphabet to be for a ‘67, cool if you’re a Rastaman, though.
Are walk-through SO 42s “very rare”? I see more of them than the bench-seated ones.
Adjectives can make statements inaccurate, add an adverb to it and it could be twice as bad. I do desire that my bus were velvet green, but I do not pant for it.
I won’t target my ad to buyers who need to be taught what is rare and desirable.
When I write my ad I will ask Clara to proofread it for me. I hope that I have the nads to ask 60K and post it here.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2193838 |
I think its probably at the high end for an SO42 but at Auction would probably do well. 67 would have the tent rail secured by clamps so easy to add if the buyer wanted (they even repop it now). Definitely not rare but a nice example in a desirable color (I think Velvet Green and Dove Blue SO42's sell the best, Pearl White the worst). Walkthru is more a preference thing (great for camping, not great for passenger as its more cramped). _________________ RPM=(MPH*336* (R&P*4th*1.26))/Tire Diameter in inches |
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67_13Deluxe Samba Resident Alien
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:52 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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He originally had it listed at 32000 so I emailed him and wondered if he screwed up the price. He said he did and it was 23000. I was hoping he put an extra 0 in the price. If that was the case Id be driving out there to get it. That thing isn't driving anywhere at this point. It must be the restored price he wants for it. |
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Clara Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:23 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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Isn't 30K high for a project OTW with a 68/69 rear facing westy seat in it?
I'm just saying, I have a solid body project Velvet Green OTW (Roadrunner) that I'm planning to make a driver and sell, but if it's worth 30K as is....
or am I behind the times on pricing? |
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srfndoc Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:26 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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Clara wrote: |
Isn't 30K high for a project OTW with a 68/69 rear facing westy seat in it?
I'm just saying, I have a solid body project Velvet Green OTW (Roadrunner) that I'm planning to make a driver and sell, but if it's worth 30K as is....
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He doesn't mention if its a running/driving/stopping bus but definitely seems high. That paint is dying to be buffed out. A little clean up of the inside/outside would go a long way to selling that thing. _________________ RPM=(MPH*336* (R&P*4th*1.26))/Tire Diameter in inches |
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Craig Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:08 am Post subject: Re: Ralph Spoilsport, Spoilsport Motors, here in the city of... |
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srfndoc wrote: |
I think its probably at the high end for an SO42 but at Auction would probably do well. 67 would have the tent rail secured by clamps so easy to add if the buyer wanted (they even repop it now). Definitely not rare but a nice example in a desirable color (I think Velvet Green and Dove Blue SO42's sell the best, Pearl White the worst). Walkthru is more a preference thing (great for camping, not great for passenger as its more cramped). |
My whine was about the careless wording of the copy. It’s as if the seller is a used car salesman (“presented here is”) who got the bus as a trade-in, is an owner who knows nothing about his bus, or he is an owner being forced to sell his bus against his wishes. In this forum, which SO 42 B owners don’t realize that they’re missing a rail and a boot for the tent? It irritates me when I punch up a seller’s profile to read his posts and see that he joined recently and has just one post: his ad. I don’t think that he is patently dishonest, but I do think that he is capable of omitting something important by design or incompetence. That’s my confusion; is he a shyster, dumbass, or both?
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Isn't 30K high for a project OTW with a 68/69 rear facing westy seat in it?
I'm just saying, I have a solid body project Velvet Green OTW (Roadrunner) that I'm planning to make a driver and sell, but if it's worth 30K as is....
or am I behind the times on pricing? |
Present it as very rare in highly desirable [color here]. |
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notchboy Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:56 am Post subject: Re: Ralph Spoilsport, Spoilsport Motors, here in the city of... |
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Craig wrote: |
srfndoc wrote: |
I think its probably at the high end for an SO42 but at Auction would probably do well. 67 would have the tent rail secured by clamps so easy to add if the buyer wanted (they even repop it now). Definitely not rare but a nice example in a desirable color (I think Velvet Green and Dove Blue SO42's sell the best, Pearl White the worst). Walkthru is more a preference thing (great for camping, not great for passenger as its more cramped). |
My whine was about the careless wording of the copy. It’s as if the seller is a used car salesman (“presented here is”) who got the bus as a trade-in, is an owner who knows nothing about his bus, or he is an owner being forced to sell his bus against his wishes. In this forum, which SO 42 B owners don’t realize that they’re missing a rail and a boot for the tent? It irritates me when I punch up a seller’s profile to read his posts and see that he joined recently and has just one post: his ad. I don’t think that he is patently dishonest, but I do think that he is capable of omitting something important by design or incompetence. That’s my confusion; is he a shyster, dumbass, or both?
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Hey man. Its a Van, um sorry bus. Its cute, my dad had one. We used to go to Little Big Horn when I was a kid..........
If you were to bet money, Im sure you would put it on "ignorance".
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BarryL Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:42 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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Daddybus wrote: |
What about "VGA"? Where is that?
Fish wrote: |
According to that California license plate list, The "JAH" was issued in Whittier. It doesn't give the year, just the areas. For year you have to fine a known year car with a really close letter to the JAH.
I had DEJ on my 1963, so you need one closer.
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I'm not 100% certain but I think this is the poop:
Every 7 years California used to change all the plates. From '56 till the end of '62 the new US standardized size California plates were yellow background with black letters. The theory was that there were never enough cars to run out of plate sequences. I think that chart is for those 7 years until '63 and the last part is maybe missing or that was all there was. If you wanted to try and get certain letters you could actually go to the DMV in the issuing city and try to play a game that was time consuming and frustrating. The DMV was a major institution with massive powers that could not be altered so when you got your plates that was it.
In '63 California switched to black background with yellow letters. Those issues started all over but If you had an existing vehicle with the old plated you had to get new ones in '63 when your month came up for renewal. The '63 issue started all over again but with AAA sent everywhere. There were huge long lines with people that got paid to stand in line or people that were just insistent to get certain sequences like ANT or BEE or certain numbers other than what random ones they got. They would give you cuts in front of them until one they liked came next. You can plug in three letter words of your choice here.
The DMV didn't issue certain sequences in any given 7 year issue like PIS or FUK because there were some decency and moral standards back then. There were some ones that snuck by the censors though. If you bought a new car between '63 and '67 it basically got time stamped by the issuing plate sequence. By the end of '69 I'm pretty sure even ZVW was issued so it must have been a close call to not run out before the icky blue background with yellow letters came out with 123 ABC format. Eveyone got to keep their old plates this time unless they wanted new ones. |
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Fish Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:24 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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I remember my Dad telling me that in 63 he had to change his plates on the 56 Chevy station wagon and buy new ones because DMV changed its policy on plates. Prior to 63 plates were registered to you, the person, not your car. When you sold your car, you kept your plates and put them on your new car. After 63, plates were registered to a car and always stayed with the car when sold or even wrecked.
I have no idea if this is true or even where to go about looking it up. _________________ Prosit!
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notchboy Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:03 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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So Im trying to wrap my head around your statement? Why is the City sequence not correct for 1963 to 1969 Black back - Gold letter plates?
Ive been trying to research this but most info is generic YOM info.
Its funny you mention the morality code and some slipping through.
My 66 Fastback - SHE 699
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hitest Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:47 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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srfndoc wrote: |
Clara wrote: |
Isn't 30K high for a project OTW with a 68/69 rear facing westy seat in it?
I'm just saying, I have a solid body project Velvet Green OTW (Roadrunner) that I'm planning to make a driver and sell, but if it's worth 30K as is....
or am I behind the times on pricing? |
He doesn't mention if its a running/driving/stopping bus but definitely seems high. That paint is dying to be buffed out. A little clean up of the inside/outside would go a long way to selling that thing. |
By cracky- I rubbed my eyes and easily saw that is not a Westy the second time around. But I was referring to original velvet paint and not the price. 30k is way steep for that bus- and frankly, makes my camper an outright steel by comparison. I'm only trying to pay attention because I truly believe velvet campers are the most beautiful. _________________
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I wonder what the nut looks like.
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///Mink Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:35 pm Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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Fish wrote: |
I remember my Dad telling me that in 63 he had to change his plates on the 56 Chevy |
notchboy wrote: |
So Im trying to wrap my head around your statement? Why is the City sequence not correct for 1963 to 1969 Black back - Gold letter plates?
Ive been trying to research this but most info is generic YOM info.
Its funny you mention the morality code and some slipping through.
My 66 Fastback - SHE 699
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I believe the truth lies above. Based on extensive observation my conjecture is that when the 56 base plates (yellow with black letters) were decommissioned in 1963, all cars got new black with gold plates and were issued by the local DMV office. These plates were AAA 001 ~ RDA 999 (ish). After that, they were assigned sequentially. The would explain why nearly every single '66 I've ever seen with its original black plate begins with an "S" or a "T", and every '67 is a "U" or "V", etc.
The only thing I can't explain is what happened with new cars sold in 1964 and 1965. Maybe they were given plates from the DMV office local to the dealer or buyer. No idea. But I've seen the S/T/66 and U/V/67 occur far too may times for it to be a coincidence. |
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:28 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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That list originally posted by stale air is for the black plate distribution in 63. Each DMV office had the series listed until their stock ran out. My 60 which originally came with yellow plates still has its reissue 63 plate and is GIT, the Oct 63 bug still had its original plate and was JGK, the 65 suburban also with its original plate is REW. Grandpas Dec 67 bug is still running its VSY plate too.
Its true about the number letter series starting AAA 123 in 56 and they actually ran out of that series and began 123 ABC before the black plates were issued. It is the same case with black plates at the end of their run in 69/70 which also had to run the 123 ABC.
My guess is there was a second list that is now lost. _________________ Grapes of Wrath $200 Engine Rebuild
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Braukuche Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:53 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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///Mink wrote: |
Fish wrote: |
I remember my Dad telling me that in 63 he had to change his plates on the 56 Chevy |
notchboy wrote: |
So Im trying to wrap my head around your statement? Why is the City sequence not correct for 1963 to 1969 Black back - Gold letter plates?
Ive been trying to research this but most info is generic YOM info.
Its funny you mention the morality code and some slipping through.
My 66 Fastback - SHE 699
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I believe the truth lies above. Based on extensive observation my conjecture is that when the 56 base plates (yellow with black letters) were decommissioned in 1963, all cars got new black with gold plates and were issued by the local DMV office. These plates were AAA 001 ~ RDA 999 (ish). After that, they were assigned sequentially. The would explain why nearly every single '66 I've ever seen with its original black plate begins with an "S" or a "T", and every '67 is a "U" or "V", etc.
The only thing I can't explain is what happened with new cars sold in 1964 and 1965. Maybe they were given plates from the DMV office local to the dealer or buyer. No idea. But I've seen the S/T/66 and U/V/67 occur far too may times for it to be a coincidence. |
This jives with something I read where the city related sequence was a one off, after the initial run to replace yellow plates they went out random. My '58 bus sold in Escondido had black plates that matched with the Escondido DMV. My '56 Ghia has black plates marching the pink slip from the '80s, but the letters,aren't listed suggesting that it got its black plates later.
My '63 Porsche that came with blacks also has letters off the list, suggesting either it came in fromout of state or maybe new cars were not part of the program. _________________ Go Reds! Smash state!
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notchboy Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:26 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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Braukuche wrote: |
///Mink wrote: |
Fish wrote: |
I remember my Dad telling me that in 63 he had to change his plates on the 56 Chevy |
notchboy wrote: |
So Im trying to wrap my head around your statement? Why is the City sequence not correct for 1963 to 1969 Black back - Gold letter plates?
Ive been trying to research this but most info is generic YOM info.
Its funny you mention the morality code and some slipping through.
My 66 Fastback - SHE 699
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I believe the truth lies above. Based on extensive observation my conjecture is that when the 56 base plates (yellow with black letters) were decommissioned in 1963, all cars got new black with gold plates and were issued by the local DMV office. These plates were AAA 001 ~ RDA 999 (ish). After that, they were assigned sequentially. The would explain why nearly every single '66 I've ever seen with its original black plate begins with an "S" or a "T", and every '67 is a "U" or "V", etc.
The only thing I can't explain is what happened with new cars sold in 1964 and 1965. Maybe they were given plates from the DMV office local to the dealer or buyer. No idea. But I've seen the S/T/66 and U/V/67 occur far too may times for it to be a coincidence. |
This jives with something I read where the city related sequence was a one off, after the initial run to replace yellow plates they went out random. My '58 bus sold in Escondido had black plates that matched with the Escondido DMV. My '56 Ghia has black plates marching the pink slip from the '80s, but the letters,aren't listed suggesting that it got its black plates later.
My '63 Porsche that came with blacks also has letters off the list, suggesting either it came in fromout of state or maybe new cars were not part of the program. |
Also in the pic above of my 66 Fastback & 64 Notchback - the notch is KTB 152. It would of been a Gray market import but suggests its registered around its actual production date. That picture is at my old house in Poway California and the KTB is a San Diego sequence plate. _________________
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OK, this thread is over. You win. |
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BarryL Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:26 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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notchboy wrote: |
So Im trying to wrap my head around your statement? Why is the City sequence not correct for 1963 to 1969 Black back - Gold letter plates?
Ive been trying to research this but most info is generic YOM info.
Its funny you mention the morality code and some slipping through.
My 66 Fastback - SHE 699 |
Do you know what city?
///Mink wrote: |
I believe the truth lies above. Based on extensive observation my conjecture is that when the 56 base plates (yellow with black letters) were decommissioned in 1963, all cars got new black with gold plates and were issued by the local DMV office. These plates were AAA 001 ~ RDA 999 (ish). After that, they were assigned sequentially. The would explain why nearly every single '66 I've ever seen with its original black plate begins with an "S" or a "T", and every '67 is a "U" or "V", etc.
The only thing I can't explain is what happened with new cars sold in 1964 and 1965. Maybe they were given plates from the DMV office local to the dealer or buyer. No idea. But I've seen the S/T/66 and U/V/67 occur far too may times for it to be a coincidence. |
My original '65 bus plate was RNG. I have an original '66 truck commercialed plate that is U.
AlteWagen wrote: |
That list originally posted by stale air is for the black plate distribution in 63. Each DMV office had the series listed until their stock ran out. My 60 which originally came with yellow plates still has its reissue 63 plate and is GIT, the Oct 63 bug still had its original plate and was JGK, the 65 suburban also with its original plate is REW. Grandpas Dec 67 bug is still running its VSY plate too.
Its true about the number letter series starting AAA 123 in 56 and they actually ran out of that series and began 123 ABC before the black plates were issued. It is the same case with black plates at the end of their run in 69/70 which also had to run the 123 ABC.
My guess is there was a second list that is now lost. |
Any pics non VW or VW of these latter plates?
Braukuche wrote: |
This jives with something I read where the city related sequence was a one off, after the initial run to replace yellow plates they went out random. My '58 bus sold in Escondido had black plates that matched with the Escondido DMV. My '56 Ghia has black plates marching the pink slip from the '80s, but the letters,aren't listed suggesting that it got its black plates later.
My '63 Porsche that came with blacks also has letters off the list, suggesting either it came in fromout of state or maybe new cars were not part of the program. |
notchboy wrote: |
Also in the pic above of my 66 Fastback & 64 Notchback - the notch is KTB 152. It would of been a Gray market import but suggests its registered around its actual production date. That picture is at my old house in Poway California and the KTB is a San Diego sequence plate. |
BarryL wrote: |
Daddybus wrote: |
What about "VGA"? Where is that?
Fish wrote: |
According to that California license plate list, The "JAH" was issued in Whittier. It doesn't give the year, just the areas. For year you have to fine a known year car with a really close letter to the JAH.
I had DEJ on my 1963, so you need one closer.
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I'm not 100% certain but I think this is the poop: |
Ok now I'm 100% certain you guys are right especially with what happened after. I had a late '69 with YQW fwiw. |
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BarryL Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:42 am Post subject: Re: Official whine about Buses and parts for sale |
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Clara wrote: |
BarryL wrote: |
Clara wrote: |
BarryL wrote: |
Yes, lots of picky things not original. Nice ultra rare skid guard. |
The skid guard came on VW Things, and while nice, aren't all that rare. |
But that part going back to the muffler? Is that always with them? Or is that not skid stuff. |
IIRC, the thing skid guard has two pieces in the middle, a front piece and a rear piece.
This engine also has side pieces:
Sometimes people leave pieces out. Shocking as that may be to you, with tender ideas that engine tin is always complete.
To find out more, look at the Thing Parts list diagram. or browse the gallery. Or talk to my Dad, he loves to talk about thing only stuff. |
Ok, so the back part can't be used on an "H" or older block because it uses the mustache bar holes. Looks like you have to drill and tap into the rear stub too.
Last time I talked to your dad he was selling his mid-engine monster V8 Rabbit (?) pickup at Familianfest. Sheesh.
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