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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 4:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Replacing Winston's Cigarette Lighter: The Horror Reply with quote

Installing a west marine 12v socket in place of the stock lighter socket was one of the first things I did back in 2012 when we bought the van, along with a stereo upgrade.

Couldn't figure out how to pull the non-working stock one, so wound up basically mashing it down with some vise-grips until it was able to fit through.

Never looked back.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 1:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Replacing Winston's Cigarette Lighter: The Horror Reply with quote

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Our 91 has had a loose plug forever. I wrapped a rubber band around it several times mostly behind the green ring and it tightened right up and the gps plug is tight now. Cost: 1 bunch of broccoli for a good rubber band.


Oh man, back to the grocery store for you. There are a dozen threads here showing that only asparagus rubber bands must be used. The iron absorbed by the broccoli rubber bands will cause an electrical short.










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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Replacing Winston's Cigarette Lighter: The Horror Reply with quote

Our 91 has had a loose plug forever. I wrapped a rubber band around it several times mostly behind the green ring and it tightened right up and the gps plug is tight now. Cost: 1 bunch of broccoli for a good rubber band.
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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 5:59 am    Post subject: Re: Replacing Winston's Cigarette Lighter: The Horror Reply with quote

GoWesty has a How-To video on YouTube now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RqXjXs7w0o
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

r39o wrote:
I DID IT! I DID IT! I DID IT!

I got the cigar lighter socket out with out breaking it. Woo Hoo.....

What a MAJOR PITA it is though.

I will share with you the mystery now. You need to do as shown in the pictures that follow:

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THANK YOU!!!!
That illustration showing the tabs that have to be pushed from the inside saved me countless hours of frustration! Still not the easiest of jobs, but that was the secret.
I had managed to get the whole thing halfway out, but ended up pushing it all back in and then tackling the green inner tabs.
No O-ring pliers but I used two tiny screwdrivers and got them between the green tabs and the metal body and gave it a little tweak, bending the metal, or maybe the plastic, out slightly so that the tabs could get past. Viola! the green plastic piece came free! Not as elegant as o-ring pliers (that was genius) but it did the trick.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:57 am    Post subject: cigarette lighter Reply with quote

I used a pair of o-ring pliers to push in the plastic pins, lighter came out in 1 minute.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They have them, search for marinco on their website.
You can find them on ebay for less with the same search
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:09 pm    Post subject: Re: 12v outlets Reply with quote

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I bought this one at a West Marine for $20.00. Black; it has a shoulder ring on the outside of the dash and a screw-on retaining ring on the inside. Clean and simple.

http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/woeimages/electrical/mar-12vrc.jpg


I bought that same one through small car a while back, for use in the rear of the van. I didn't see any at west marine when I was there, nor could I find it on the website. The other persons link seems to be bad, do they no longer carry them?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just wanted to give a +1 on the west marine style 12v socket. Mounts up easily, and it's robust. Threaded-ring-type mounting ring on the back is nice because it's easy to snug up if the socket loosens off down the road. I slathered the threads on mine with silicone caulking to help stave off any loosening-off.

I never saw this thread when I was struggling with removing the stock socket, and in the end I broke it to pieces with some pliers and chucked it in the bin with a spiteful grin. The nefarious thing really got on my nerves.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has been awhile but I'm almost positive you just plug it into the factory connector. I just went outside and felt behind the dash with my hand and it feels like the factory connector with no splicing involved. The Eurovan I pulled it from was a 93 or 94.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robw_z wrote:
Pretty sure it's already mentioned in this thread somewhere, but I put on a Eurovan lighter socket I got from the junkyard and am very happy with it. Same external appearance as the Vanagon unit, except black instead of chrome trim. Same green light ring which is nice. It is deeper than the Vanagon unit and it holds much better.

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Hey Rob, I think you mentioned that the EV unit has the same wiring plug as the vanagon. Can you confirm that? The one I bought from GOwesty is different.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty sure it's already mentioned in this thread somewhere, but I put on a Eurovan lighter socket I got from the junkyard and am very happy with it. Same external appearance as the Vanagon unit, except black instead of chrome trim. Same green light ring which is nice. It is deeper than the Vanagon unit and it holds much better.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to renew an old thread, but I wanted to put my 2 cents in about the new lighted gowesty cig lighter...

I JUST installed my new lighted gowesty cig lighter. This thread was instrumental in me getting the old one out. I am not super happy with the new unit, mostly because it is TOO much like the original german one. It is too shallow, and while it is more snug than the 20 odd year old one I just removed, it still can turn around in its hole and wobbles a bit. I purchased one from small car a while back, if I can find it in my pile of projects for the vanagon I will report back here if its any better. It does have a different retaining method than some plastic tabs, so as long as it fits next to my westy A/C controls it should be fine...
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't remember exactly, but I'm pretty sure that I just used a flat screwdriver to pry the tabs from their holes. Looking at the picture of the GoWesty unit (assuming your talking about the illuminated lighter), it might be slightly different.

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Do you even need to separate the green sleeve from the socket unit? Can you just slide the whole thing in and connect the plugs from the back?

On the original unit, the green sleeve also has raised tabs going outward that hold it into the dash. Is that how the GoWesty unit works?

For my installation, I used a FLAPS version that had a slightly smaller diameter, so I needed to cut all of the green sleeve off except for the lip, which I then used as a washer. It is now held in place with a screw on sleeve (which came with the FLAPS socket) that connects from behind. There is also a metal washer (NOT SHOWN IN THE PICTURE BELOW), that came with the kit and goes between the screw-on sleeve and the backside of the dash.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any advice on how to get the green plastic ring off the metal cylinder? What tool did you guys use?

My socket from GoWesty was snapped together when I got it, and I can't seem to get get the pieces apart.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just did this other day. I replaced the original cigarette lighter with a $5 12v socket from FLAPS. Based on information from this thread, I was able to better understand how the whole thing goes together.

My technique was to drop the glove box. Reach up behind the lighter assembly. Grabbed hold of the brown plug and easily pulled it right off the back. I then grabbed the black piece that was still attached to the back of the green receptacle, gripped it tight with my fingers, and gave a side-to-side tug. Ripped that sucker right off! It was then a piece of cake to push the lighter assembly out the hole.

My new unit is a slightly smaller diameter, so I used the Dremel to cut the illuminating lip off the green plastic assembly (could just use a hacksaw), and used that as a washer.

I snipped off the power wire and grounds. Connected them up to the new assembly, and was good to go. Using that green plastic lip as a washer keeps it looking pretty stock. Only difference is now I have a 12v-accessory plastic cap on the front instead of a cigarette lighter.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:22 pm    Post subject: 2 and 3 prong lighters Reply with quote

I was playing with my cig lighter the other day. I bought a new VW one a while back ago. The new one is a 3 prong.(top) The one in my van is a 2 prong.(bottom)
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This older one need a "hot" wire going to the light.
The newer one does not need this seperate wire as the light gets it's power from the 3rd prong in the connector.
I do not know when VW switched to the 3 prong. Mine is a 83 1/2.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just wanted to add that yesterday I finally replaced the lighter with a 12V socket. At first, it wasn't going too well. I finally got the wire plug off and realized after several attempts that there was no way I was getting that stupid bulb holder off from the back. Now what?

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Once you get the snaps pushed out, which makes little sense while you are cursing away in the van, then you can push the center part (metal) out. Once you do that, you can wiggle the assembly out. You can NOT get the assembly out of the hole with out disengaging the sanps.


Here's what I discovered: I was able to push/pull the lighter out of the hole up to the point where that bulb holder sits (I used pliers on the green ring). I then bent the metal tab inside the lighter enough to get a small screwdriver into the slot behind it where the brown half of the bulb holder sits. The bulb holder is in two parts: upper brown part, lower black part. The brown part snaps onto the green ring, while the black part slides onto the white electrical connector and snaps into the brown part's retaining tab. Push/pry that brown piece off and you can then pull the entire bulb assembly off and pull the lighter all the way out of the hole complete with green trim ring. No need to use three hands to struggle to get that green trim ring off first. Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:39 am    Post subject: 12v outlets Reply with quote

I bought this one at a West Marine for $20.00. Black; it has a shoulder ring on the outside of the dash and a screw-on retaining ring on the inside. Clean and simple.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have removed 3 VW OEM cigarette lighters (3 different vehicles). They are a pita! Just converted all to 12V outlets for various uses. The original design of the original cig lighter IMHO was stupid. The lighter was soooo small and ended up being flush with the dash! Must have been the same designer who designed that stupid connecting rod between the pedal and the accelerator at the front ggggrrrrrrr
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