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Ollie W Samba Member
Joined: May 20, 2004 Posts: 797 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:37 am Post subject: Vented/Non-Vented Gas Cap? |
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3 weeks ago, some gas station attendant forgot to put my gas cap back on after I filled up (in Oregon, you can't pump your own gas.) I drove around for a week like that, practically dying of the fumes, I've got a DC and the tank is behind the back seat.
So I got a new cap from Wolfsbug West.
I went and filled up and a block away my truck died. I thought it might be my reserve switch. I moved around a little, waited a minute and got it started. I made it home without a problem. Today, it died again on the way to work.
So I went to look in the gas tank to check and make sure I had gas. I could barely get the cap off because of the vacuum suction. As soon as I got the cap off and put it back on, the truck started. So is the seal to good on the new cap, or am I supposed to have a vented cap to allow air into the tank as gas goes out?
Thanks for any help.
Chris |
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iamdonquixote Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2003 Posts: 2036 Location: M*ssholia
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:42 am Post subject: |
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vent that cap now, I had the tank implode and crack thus leaking gas all over the parking lot at work. Also I had weird stalling problems like you did, I bought the same cap you did. Drill a hole in the cap or something.. |
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Stocknazi Samba Member
Joined: June 18, 2004 Posts: 5144
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:52 am Post subject: |
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look for an og cap, i would send the cap back to wwwest and get my money back. did you not get reinbursed by the gas station for your cap? print off 3 or 4 adds from this site and make them pay you for your cap they forgot to put back on. i would guess at least 30 bucks is due to you for an og cap _________________ WANTED:
58 Westfalia cabinet knobs (3 needed), roof rack, and (7) privy tent poles (silver painted).
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"Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God."
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Clara Samba Member
Joined: June 14, 2003 Posts: 12379
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:11 am Post subject: |
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abeed wrote: |
look for an og cap, i would send the cap back to wwwest and get my money back. did you not get reinbursed by the gas station for your cap? print off 3 or 4 adds from this site and make them pay you for your cap they forgot to put back on. i would guess at least 30 bucks is due to you for an og cap |
I had an og one with a dent in it for sale for $20... it sold really quick. AT the time, there was one for sale for $69. (undented) it's probably still there.
I dunno if you can get $20, $30 or whatever out of the gas station for the gas cap, though.
I ALWAYS open the gas door and take off the gas cap in Oregon. If they feel they have to activate the pump, fine. They aren't touching my church key. Since I latch the gas door back up ( I tell them to leave it open,too, ) I check the gas cap. I have a fear of an Oregon gas station guy wanting it as a souvenir. I also tell them not to top it off.
Sometimes they listen.
but I check the gas cap. _________________ The Obsolete Air-Cooled Documentation Project http://oacdp.org/ |
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Ollie W Samba Member
Joined: May 20, 2004 Posts: 797 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:12 am Post subject: |
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I did go back to the station that lost the cap. I was pissed and told them how dangerous that was for them to forget to put a cap back on. It wasn't in there lost and found. I spoke to the manager the next day and got nowhere when I asked him about compensation. He said that I couldn't prove that they'd lost it and their policy was to put caps in there lost and found. I asked why they'd have a collection of caps in their lost and found if their employees have to pump the gas, is it that common for them to forget to put the cap back on. He had no response. |
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Clara Samba Member
Joined: June 14, 2003 Posts: 12379
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:22 am Post subject: |
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Ollie W wrote: |
I did go back to the station that lost the cap. I was pissed and told them how dangerous that was for them to forget to put a cap back on. It wasn't in there lost and found. I spoke to the manager the next day and got nowhere when I asked him about compensation. He said that I couldn't prove that they'd lost it and their policy was to put caps in there lost and found. I asked why they'd have a collection of caps in their lost and found if their employees have to pump the gas, is it that common for them to forget to put the cap back on. He had no response. |
ya, that's about what I expected... grrr.....
One day I was on the freeway and there is gas falling out of the gas filler of this car. the gas door was open and the cap was off. Evidently the guy at his gas door... it was so wierd... the guy stared straight ahead to ignore me. He was just so bent on ignoring the woman in the tatty old VW bus who honked at him. Like he though I was dangerous or something. Meanwhile he's driving along with gasoline spilling down the side of his car. _________________ The Obsolete Air-Cooled Documentation Project http://oacdp.org/ |
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VWBobby Samba Member
Joined: April 21, 2004 Posts: 1537 Location: Central Oregon Coast
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:26 am Post subject: |
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If its a Texaco, Chevron, or major oil company gas station, you CAN get your money back. We have had at least 2 carburators destroyed by certain gas stations (mainly Texaco) and corp. headquarters sent us a check for new ones. File a formal complaint, if you need to. I wish I had a spare that I could sell/give you, but I'm missing one myself! |
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69697 Location: Phoenix Metro
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Ollie W Samba Member
Joined: May 20, 2004 Posts: 797 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:44 am Post subject: |
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Just got off the phone with "customer service" at Wolfsburg. He said that the caps have to be drilled. I told him how nice it was that there was no mention of that on their web site or in the packaging. I told him how nice it was to be stuck on the side of the road in the dark and rain trying to figure out what the problem was. He simply replied that I could return the cap if I wanted.
Nice customer service. |
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Lind Samba Member
Joined: November 06, 2000 Posts: 9900 Location: idaho
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:45 am Post subject: |
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I had a station in oregon forget to put my gas cap back on, but unfortunately I was on a road trip, so it was a full year before I made it back through. sure enough, they still had my cap. I also asked the pump monkey if there were any good junkyards around there, and he pointed me towards one. it is one of my all time favorite junkyards. I bought and early midlle seat and a standard sunroof clip there for $50 each. this was ten years ago, but I still felt pretty good about it. _________________ .
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sondykw Samba Member
Joined: July 03, 2005 Posts: 72 Location: Southern Oregon
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:59 am Post subject: |
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vw bobby-- what happened to the carb that they were willing to replace it? |
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Campy Samba Member
Joined: January 10, 2005 Posts: 4933 Location: Chico, CA
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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I've gotten some weird responses from W.W. employees, before, but telling you to drill a hole in the new gas cap is irresponsible. At certain times, vapor needs to get out of the fuel tank and air needs to go into it, but "fixing" the problem by having an open hole in the gas cap could be dangerous.
I had a similar problem some 20 years ago when I left my buses gas cap at a gas station near Lake Tahoe. I noticed that the cap was missing when I got home and I bought a new gas cap. I didn't know anything about a cap having to be vented for the old buses but learned the hard way when so much pressure built up in the fuel tank on a warm day that gasoline had been pushed through the carburetor and down into the cylinders, where it got into the crankcase. This happened while the bus was in a garage overnight. I bought a new vented cap and it solved the problem.
You are smart to get more advice than just from that one employee at W.W. I wonder how many people have been told to drill a hole in their unvented gas caps? Get a vented cap.
An officer from California's Bureau of Automotive Repair is going to check out my mother's car a couple of weeks from now; I'll ask him if having an open hole in a gas cap could be a problem. |
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Jerry J Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2004 Posts: 1257 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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This sucks Chris. Those new caps are no good. I bought one of those cheesy new caps at Halsey Imports awhile back. I thought pretty good deal for only $2.35.
I never had the stalling problem but a friend told me about the evils of those caps. With the tank flexing you would eventually crack your tank. So I found an OG cap and tossed the new one in the trash.
I ALWAYS watch the attendents put the cap back on. Oh and you CAN pump your own gas. I don't let anyone near the gas tank in my bug. They usually don't have a problem with that. _________________ Jerry
'58 Bug
'63 KGhia
'67 Squareback
'67 Standard Bus
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Billet_Bus Samba Member
Joined: August 17, 2003 Posts: 347
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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mine leaked real bad on hard left turns even after a new seal.
I bought one that is used on sand rail aluminum tanks and it works great, no leaks, and its vented. Plus it only cost about $10 _________________ www.Full-Race.com
Anything else is just half fast.
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BarryL Samba Member
Joined: November 01, 2004 Posts: 14195 Location: Casa de Oro, California
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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For what it's worth a Stant 10623 is a perfect fit. It is polished stainless and vented with a ball so no splashing. They're 5.10 US. Fram has their RG23 sku 7195514 vented zinc cadmium with plastic guts cap for 6.99 US also a perfect fit. The NOS replacements marked big "KOMBI" are vented and even more perfect. |
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Jerry J Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2004 Posts: 1257 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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Barry Lynn wrote: |
For what it's worth a Stant 10623 is a perfect fit. It is polished stainless and vented with a ball so no splashing. They're 5.10 US. Fram has their RG23 sku 7195514 vented zinc cadmium with plastic guts cap for 6.99 US also a perfect fit. The NOS replacements marked big "KOMBI" are vented and even more perfect. |
I don't know if you noticed but there was somebody selling one of these here in the classified for something like $80. The ad stated that it was for a kombi.
Barry, thanks for the rundown on the Stant and the Fram caps. It's nice to carry a backup cap. _________________ Jerry
'58 Bug
'63 KGhia
'67 Squareback
'67 Standard Bus
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Braukuche Samba Member
Joined: September 03, 2004 Posts: 10945
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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Jerry J wrote: |
This sucks Chris. Those new caps are no good. I bought one of those cheesy new caps at Halsey Imports awhile back. I thought pretty good deal for only $2.35.
I never had the stalling problem but a friend told me about the evils of those caps. With the tank flexing you would eventually crack your tank. So I found an OG cap and tossed the new one in the trash.
I ALWAYS watch the attendents put the cap back on. Oh and you CAN pump your own gas. I don't let anyone near the gas tank in my bug. They usually don't have a problem with that. |
My tank was totalyl collapsed when I bought it. I had to use compressed air to blow it back out. I put a WW cap on it after I drilled a small hole, about the diameter of a pencil lead. No problem since.
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Grant Samba Member
Joined: September 25, 2004 Posts: 820
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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umm, why are there non-vented caps still being made if they cause so many problems? do some people need non-vented caps? |
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Karl Samba Member
Joined: January 29, 2001 Posts: 6170 Location: Coos Bay, Oregon
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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Grant88 wrote: |
umm, why are there non-vented caps still being made if they cause so many problems? do some people need non-vented caps? |
Yes, 72/73 buses use those non-vented caps. |
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TWD Samba Member
Joined: May 11, 2004 Posts: 976 Location: Georgia
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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I have a very old VW gas tank aftermarket venting system from the 50's. The directions tell you to drill a hole just below the cap. The fitting that attaches has a rubber gasket to keep it sealed. You attach fuel hose to the outside of the fitting and vent it to the outside. I have never used it, but obviously this is a long standing problem. |
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