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RockStock
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1958 Graphite Silver Cabriolet.
Having removed the few parts of original rubber mats from the front bulkhead I found this piece of original black cloth material over the heater vents. Graphite Silver car, grey mats |
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are the vents a different colour on the Graphite Silver Cab? or body colour?
there was that small loose piece of cloth with the mats i photographed - maybe a bit of heat protective material for the rubber mats? to ensure they didn´t dry out? 
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Broadacus
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1958 Graphite Silver Cabriolet.
Having removed the few parts of original rubber mats from the front bulkhead I found this piece of original black cloth material over the heater vents. Graphite Silver car, grey mats. Section of the original rubber can still be seen stuck to the heater channel.
I think I may need to change the floor pans!! 
1957 Cardinal Red Coupe.
Grey / Green mats, grey/green vents. You learn something new everyday. Next!!
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retrowagen
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| 2. Have you noticed they painted the metal around the ventholes the same color as the bulkhead mat? |
Good catch! Most don't notice this, but you are correct. |
is this right for all lowlights?
anyone with an og car confirm/any examples? |
For those with rubber firewall cladding. In the case of every original car I myself can recall, confirmed.
I noticed this in my car easily, as the previous owner had removed the firewall cladding (tsk-tsk-tsk) and had folded it up for safekeeping (Oi!!! What WERE ya thinkin'?!), leaving the glue residue on the firewall and heater channel. There, the vents were neatly painted the olivey-green "beige" color, masked off in a neat rectangle. One can kind of see it here below:
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RockStock
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| Jonas Burman2 wrote: |
| 2. Have you noticed they painted the metal around the ventholes the same color as the bulkhead mat? |
Good catch! Most don't notice this, but you are correct. |
is this right for all lowlights?
anyone with an og car confirm/any examples?
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retrowagen
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| Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 11:04 am Post subject: Re: Black 56 coupe |
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Original Rubber / carpet combo
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That is a 3-piece mat. I believe it is a one-year only configuration. (Do you know Retro? ) |
Yes, I do. 
It's correct from the July, 1955 pre-production cars (pictured in the 1955 press kits, Workshop Introduction brochures, and first Owner's Manuals, and cars shown at Georgsmarienhütte on July 14, 1955) through late April/Early May production in 1956 (chassis #1154228/body#3761), when the full rubber firewall cladding was introduced. 
Bonus: the corduroy materials arrived on the scene in January 1956 production, so that places the vintage of this car between January and May of 1956, but prior to March of '56 (#1128610/#3001) when the heater vents were moved towards the doors 270mm each.
So no, that mat configuration's technically not a full year's or even a Model Year's detail. Heh heh heh 
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Douglas Denlinger
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My customer will be in town to see the progress on the car in approx two weeks. I will show him what we are up against and let him determine just how far he wants to go with the mat reproduction.
I have found a great source for the heater channel mat. I'll work on posting pictures of the material we have sourced, it's pretty much spot on.
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lemke
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:02 pm Post subject: Re: Black 56 coupe |
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Original Rubber / carpet combo
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That is a 3-piece mat. I believe it is a one-year only configuration. (Do you know Retro? )
I do have a mold for that, and can repop it. |
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Broadacus
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Original Rubber / carpet combo
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udo dreisoerner
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:14 am Post subject: after so much postings my question to john lemke |
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is it possible to reproduce the great lowlight rubber?????????
regards, udo. please post or mail me
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retrowagen
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I performed a test by painting a Wolfsburg West tunnel mat with cans of SEM "Color Coat," a flexible paint for vinyl and rubber products. http://www.sem.ws/product.php?product_id=190. Good product; I highly recommend it. Covered well, did not stink too bad, durable enough for my museum piece car.
I chose color "Monterey," a perfect match for the original mats in my Brilliant Red Coupe'. Other colors are available...
(bear in mind that a real, printed color chart is normally more accurate for color matching than one viewed on a monitor...)
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- FWIW, my application (aerosilver) requires a green mat, but I imagine that one could paint a neutral colored one: I think I read a post from someone who had done something similar to one of Mr. Lemke's excellent floor mats. -
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My mats can be spray painted. And I can make green mats for an extra fee. |
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Not a lot to contribute to this discussion other than:
1. Thanks to all for the great information about early ghia interiors.
2. I would definitely purchase a bulkhead mat if they become available.
Since the bulkhead mats were unobtainable when I started to get my interior together I purchased a complete german square weave carpet set from Lenny Copp. The carpet is very nice, but if I could get the correct interior mats I would prefer them.
FWIW, my application (aerosilver) requires a green mat, but I imagine that one could paint a neutral colored one: I think I read a post from someone who had done something similar to one of Mr. Lemke's excellent floor mats.
Man... I wish I hadn't spent the $$$ on the carpet! :-) |
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retrowagen
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3 mat-matters...
1. Why does the tunnelmat has a ghianumber [143....] Or is it just those "early" ones with spec. ghia colors. The bug-ones should be exactly the same. |
There are minor differences in regards to the slots for the seat rails and the overall length of the tunnel mat. The Karmann-Ghia item is shorter.
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| 2. Have you noticed they painted the metal around the ventholes the same color as the bulkhead mat? |
Good catch! Most don't notice this, but you are correct.
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Jonas Burman2
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3 mat-matters...
1. Why does the tunnelmat has a ghianumber [143....] Or is it just those "early" ones with spec. ghia colors. The bug-ones should be exactly the same.
2. Have you noticed they painted the metal around the ventholes the same color as the bulkhead mat?
3. There are two types of "early" floor mats (in cars without footrest).
One kind that doesn´t have the bubbel pattern around the edges and one with. My 59 has flat edges.
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I would definately buy a set of mats for a black 58 cab.... and if I cant sell the 58 cardinal red coupe, I'll need mats for that one as well.
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RockStock
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craig, i think the og mat colour for the Cardinal Red Cab was Beige
a little strange as the mats for the Cardinal Red Coupe is listed as Grey, according to my chart
i now think the Bernina cabs mats were Grey, not Beige
for the Cabs, the general pattern seems that the mat colour matches the headlining colour (grey or beige) matches the glovebox interior colour
the exception is probably with the green mat...
i do not have a mat colour list for the 56/7 Ghia Coupes
someone else may have?
or work in progress....
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Great pics Chris!...that one is fresch compared to what I have.
Have one with the same color. THAT is a puzzle!...the other green/grey one is more like the one in your pics...But dryer!. |
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coolairX2
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:38 pm Post subject: If this becomes a reality... |
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If you can make this happen then count me in for a grey set for a Cardinal cabrio.
This certainly will cost a bit to get a mold made with a large enough run to make it worth while. I would guess a few thousand or more if done commercially.
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RockStock
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Sill Mat ('Grey')
click pics to enlarge
detail - bubble effect all over, no special edges
Sill Mat onto Tunnel Mat
not quite ideal to make the Sill Mat from a Tunnel Mat, but you might just get away with it - inner edges are covered by the central Floor Mats
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