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strattonjr Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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I used dielectric grease and it worked great. Also, the contact points for turning right were worn down and the lever wouldn't stay engaged. I used my Dremmel to grind them down to a sharper edge and that did the trick.
I greased up the springs, the lip where the two casings rotate on each other, and packed the major spring with grease, then put a small coating between the electrical contact panels. I also packed a bunch in the cavity where the canceling tabs fit.
It's installed and working great. |
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glutamodo The Android
Joined: July 13, 2004 Posts: 26306 Location: Douglas, WY
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Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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I keep forgetting to put these in the Gallery then into this thread, some misc reference photos of various 1960s turn signal switches:
-Andy
Here's a "K" brand (whatever that stands for) of a 60-61 style switch.
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You know, I never really researched what that circle-K logo stood for.
I did just now though, and really only took a me a couple of minutes.
That logo is actualy an L and a K, and stood for Leopold Kostal. His company, now just Kostal, still makes automotive electrical and electronic items.
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Here's "K" brand version of the 62-65:
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toys4tj Samba Member
Joined: September 11, 2014 Posts: 1 Location: Liberty, MO
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:55 pm Post subject: interchangeable |
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Hi,
We have a 63 with a broken lever & just got a used turn switch from a 61.
Can I just swap them or are they not interchangeable?
We do have the wheel & horn ring from the 61 as well.
Thank you for any advice.
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grandpa pete Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2008 Posts: 6426 Location: St. Petersburg, FL
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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There is a lot of info here BUT I need to know how the switch fits on the colum . I am replacing one that I did NOT remove....I have a spring on the colum and a steering wheel......Anybody have a HOW TO on installation on a 66
HELP !!! _________________ 63 two fold rag
66 sedan delivery Type 6
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=569619&highlight=sedan+delivery |
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glutamodo The Android
Joined: July 13, 2004 Posts: 26306 Location: Douglas, WY
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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A spring? There's a spring on the column itself that the steering wheel bears down against. But the turn signal switch clamps against the column TUBE and there should be no spring there. In other words, the spring you see here doesn't have anything to do with attaching the turn signal switch:
The turn switch attaches to the column tube: via a small screw that pushes a contact plate which bears against the tube. Here's a photo of a 66-67 turn switch were you can see the screw and contact plate:
And some other examples from the early to mid 60s:
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grandpa pete Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2008 Posts: 6426 Location: St. Petersburg, FL
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glutamodo The Android
Joined: July 13, 2004 Posts: 26306 Location: Douglas, WY
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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Do you have the little contact plate at the end of your setscrew, on your switch? They can fall off and using the set screw without it can really bugger up the column tube...
-Andy |
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grandpa pete Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2008 Posts: 6426 Location: St. Petersburg, FL
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Bulliwinkle Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2013 Posts: 118 Location: Wheat Ridge, CO
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Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:23 am Post subject: |
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I took my turn signal switch off this past weekend to match paint it to the NOS 1961 (one year only on pearl white cars L468 Sand Stone) steering wheel I picked up off the Samba (thanks branston!).
I thought I would show how I was able to get it re-installed for those needing to tackle the task.
I purchased 4 hemostats from Harbor Freight for $2.99 each, and used them to hold the assembly together while I installed it on the column.
The picture should clearly show how to do this.
And a big thank you to glutamodo for his insightful knowledge and pictures on this subject. I wouldn't have been able to do it without them!
_________________ Darel
'66 Velvet Green Riviera Camper
'72 Sierra Yellow Westy
'71 Chianti Red Westy ~Sold
'71 Pastel White Westy ~Sold
'61 Pearl White Sedan ~Sold
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glutamodo The Android
Joined: July 13, 2004 Posts: 26306 Location: Douglas, WY
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Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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Looks purdy!
That photo of the mini-hemostats on the switch is amusing. All the hemostat style clamps I have are huge compared to that, I don't know if I'd have thought of that one. (I've thought about alligator clips though but those usually don't grip right for that sort of use)
-Andy |
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MrGoodtunes Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2012 Posts: 851 Location: South Florida
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Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:57 pm Post subject: Re: Turn signal switch repair |
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My buggy has a '67 turn signal switch that began to have the same problem as in this thread's original post, i.e. I had to keep holding the lever to keep the signal flashing because as soon as I released it would cancel. I used a small metal file to square up worn parts inside, and got it working okay. That was about 25 years ago. Then, maybe 5 years ago, it began to have the same problem. This time, I removed the big return spring. Of course, this means I have to return the lever to the middle cancel'd position, but that quickly became an automatic habbit. While it's a definite improvement, I've been looking for an alternative (weaker than stock) spring. Well, just today I discovered such a spring. It's the trigger return spring from a squirt bottle like one of these:
It seems to be working, tho not road tested yet. (Will report back in few days.)
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Well, it's been more than a few days, but there's not much to report, other than it's different from having no spring at all. Better in some ways, worse in others, overall I'm leaving the weaker spring in, but... I can't seem to break the habbit of cancelling the signal myself, and sometimes the cancel mechanism cancels too soon (like after only changing to the turn lane - yeah, my steering is sloppy, need a new gear box). So I've decided to remove this part:
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AfroThunder Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2015 Posts: 8 Location: Fruita
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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: Turn signal switch repair |
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I have to give another kudos to this thread. The 'tip' was a life saver and the photos were exactly what I needed in getting this thing put back together. Thanks again Samba! |
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glutamodo The Android
Joined: July 13, 2004 Posts: 26306 Location: Douglas, WY
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Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2016 1:29 am Post subject: Re: Turn signal switch repair |
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FYI: Here's a thread with a lot of detail photos of a 60(-61) Leopold Kostal brand turn switch:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=652163& _________________ Andy T.
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herbie1200 Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2006 Posts: 833 Location: Rome - Italy
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 1:21 am Post subject: Re: Turn signal switch repair |
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I'm not sure that lubricating the mechanism is a good idea.
It has to rest in position, so a normal friction helps in this function.
The previous switch did not mantain well the position; I lubed it and now it is very bad, a little movement of the wheel is enough to disengage the turn signal.
Now I purchased a new one (~45 euros) it works very well, the turn position is hold very well and I'm not going to lubricate it. |
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jtmbee51 Samba Member
Joined: February 21, 2010 Posts: 43
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Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 5:26 pm Post subject: turn signal switch repair |
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[email protected] wrote: |
If you take your switch apart, BE CAREFUL!!!!! There are small springs in there that if you lose them, your done!
As far as repairing a sig switch, most advise I have heard is that it is almost impossible to disassemble, reapir,and reassemble on of those damn things!
Here a tip, loosen the screw that holds it to the column a little until the whole switch is a lilttle oose on the column.
Put some pressure on the part of the switch that attaches to the column toward the steering wheel. In other words, grab it an pull toward you (and the wheel), now while hold the pressure against the switch, tighten the screw that hold it to the column.
If you get it tight enough against the back of the wheel, the friction between the switch and the wheel will sometimes hold it in place.
This works on my 60, but I am not sure on your 67. |
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Whoa!!!ICTAYLORs tip works!!!...Ive been frustrated for years with the intermittant flashing of my turn signals on my restored 66 bug...loosened the screw pulled the switch body towards the steering wheel(mine made a "click" sound) and wala! My turn signals work like a new car...Thanks IC!...Needed my blinkers to work for me to go to a car show this weekend...Now I'm legal!!...Thank you Samba Forums!!! |
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Wiskow Samba Member
Joined: August 04, 2018 Posts: 26 Location: California
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: Turn signal switch repair |
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I have a 66 bug. The turn signal self cancel is not working. I think it is because the steering wheel doesn't engage the switch. Seems the wheel is fully seated against the black ring next to the spring, and the switch housing is as forward as i can get it with the clamping screw on the housing.
What is the spring for?
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glutamodo The Android
Joined: July 13, 2004 Posts: 26306 Location: Douglas, WY
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:49 pm Post subject: Re: Turn signal switch repair |
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I hate to ask, but since your image of the steering wheel does not show it, does it have the cancel ring installed?
_________________ Andy T.
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Wiskow Samba Member
Joined: August 04, 2018 Posts: 26 Location: California
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Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:49 pm Post subject: Re: Turn signal switch repair |
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glutamodo wrote: |
I hate to ask, but since your image of the steering wheel does not show it, does it have the cancel ring installed?
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Mine does
But it is slightly different. Makes me think the turn switch, steering column, and wheel I got are not all the same year. |
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soupcups Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2014 Posts: 221 Location: Huntington Beach
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:14 am Post subject: Re: Turn signal switch repair |
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Yes it is slightly different. Correct me if I’m wrong Andy but is the one you pictured for an earlier ‘60? You can tell because of the little nubs on the face of the ring. And if they’re brass it’s for a ‘60 or ‘61. |
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glutamodo The Android
Joined: July 13, 2004 Posts: 26306 Location: Douglas, WY
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:38 am Post subject: Re: Turn signal switch repair |
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Yeah, and while that is an image of a 60-61 cancel ring with the bakelite washers under the screws and plastic isolator underneath it, that's what came up in a quick search of my own images ( I thought I had a photo of a later one but it didn't come up, plus I don't think the spare 66 steering wheel I have in the basement has a cancel ring on it) but otherwise it still is very similar for 62-70 - same bolt pattern and same location of the cancel tab. And the image that Wiskow posted looks good to me. I mostly had to ask, since the angle of his previous image wasn't low enough to show if it was there or not. _________________ Andy T.
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