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aeromech Samba Member
Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 16961 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:06 am Post subject: Re: The Tire Sticky FAQ |
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Nov 27, 2017
Just to let everyone know, the price of the Hankook RA18 in 195R14 has recently dropped. I just paid $348 delivered for a set of four through eBay. In August the same set of tires cost me roughly $470 via eBay. _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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Ride_On Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2015 Posts: 385 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:23 am Post subject: Re: The Tire Sticky FAQ |
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Another update on the Michelin Defender LTX M/S tires and CLK rims, now with over 2,500km under our belts.
The tires are awesome - zero complaints. I just used them in conditions that they'll hopefully never see again and they excelled - sub-zero (sorry, sub-32), snowy, slushy roads, wet roads and dry roads. I was very impressed with how well the tires handled. If you are a winter driver, buy winter tires. For normal conditions, I couldn't be happier.
For the CLK rims - one small update on the rears. There is a retaining bolt on the rear drums that needs to be removed in order to get the wheels flush. You can get them flush with lots of effort in the star tightening pattern, but you're just causing the bolt to press into the aluminum of the rim. Oops. No blood, no foul - we're good now.
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Quick short-term use follow-up on Michelin Defender LTX M/S 215/55R16 XL tires - great so far!
We replaced our nearly worn out Michelin Agilis 81 185R14C tires on stock steel rims. These tires performed well, even in very wet conditions with older rubber and a good bit of tread wear.
New wheels are refurbished forged alloy CLK320 rims (thanks T3Technique for the hardware and consult). I have not done a highway run yet, but the new tires seem great - stable in straight line, great support cornering, quieter and more supple. In short, I'm really happy with performance thus far. Extended drive coming this weekend. I'll check in again after that.
The CLK320 rims required drilling out the lug holes and use of new lug nuts (small ball seat). Other than that, straight plug and play. |
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championbaum Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2017 Posts: 91 Location: Texas
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:17 pm Post subject: Re: The Tire Sticky FAQ |
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Hey are you guys running the 27x8.5r14 General Grabber AT's on stock rims? Just making sure they aren't too wide before ordering.
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eazyvw Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2014 Posts: 64 Location: Idaho Falls, Idaho
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vwwestyman Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2004 Posts: 5688 Location: Manhattan, Kansas, USA
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cdennisg Samba Member
Joined: November 02, 2004 Posts: 20271 Location: Sandpoint, ID
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:15 pm Post subject: Re: The Tire Sticky FAQ |
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Any shop can mount the tires. But may not be able to balance them. Don't worry about it. I have not had a bus tire/wheel balanced in years, and have never had a problem. _________________ nothing |
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championbaum Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2017 Posts: 91 Location: Texas
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:23 am Post subject: Re: The Tire Sticky FAQ |
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Thanks guys, appreciate the info. Will be purchasing tires as soon as I get it back on the road. |
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eazyvw Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2014 Posts: 64 Location: Idaho Falls, Idaho
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:30 am Post subject: Re: The Tire Sticky FAQ |
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cdennisg wrote: |
Any shop can mount the tires. But may not be able to balance them. Don't worry about it. I have not had a bus tire/wheel balanced in years, and have never had a problem. |
Last time I tried to get a set of tires mounted, a lot of the local tire shops wouldn't do it because I bought them online.
I used to have a friend at a local car dealership that would do them for me, but he's moved on and doesn't have access to the machinery anymore.
I'm sure I'll be able to find someone to do it, just need to get the wheels off the bus first so I can go get it done. _________________ - Ian
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championbaum Samba Member
Joined: October 20, 2017 Posts: 91 Location: Texas
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:09 pm Post subject: Re: The Tire Sticky FAQ |
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eazyvw wrote: |
cdennisg wrote: |
Any shop can mount the tires. But may not be able to balance them. Don't worry about it. I have not had a bus tire/wheel balanced in years, and have never had a problem. |
Last time I tried to get a set of tires mounted, a lot of the local tire shops wouldn't do it because I bought them online.
I used to have a friend at a local car dealership that would do them for me, but he's moved on and doesn't have access to the machinery anymore.
I'm sure I'll be able to find someone to do it, just need to get the wheels off the bus first so I can go get it done. |
Ya that’s actually why I will probably buy them through a local shop vs online. I know I will pay a bit more but it’ll save me a bit of a headache. |
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cdennisg Samba Member
Joined: November 02, 2004 Posts: 20271 Location: Sandpoint, ID
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:58 pm Post subject: Re: The Tire Sticky FAQ |
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championbaum wrote: |
eazyvw wrote: |
cdennisg wrote: |
Any shop can mount the tires. But may not be able to balance them. Don't worry about it. I have not had a bus tire/wheel balanced in years, and have never had a problem. |
Last time I tried to get a set of tires mounted, a lot of the local tire shops wouldn't do it because I bought them online.
I used to have a friend at a local car dealership that would do them for me, but he's moved on and doesn't have access to the machinery anymore.
I'm sure I'll be able to find someone to do it, just need to get the wheels off the bus first so I can go get it done. |
Ya that’s actually why I will probably buy them through a local shop vs online. I know I will pay a bit more but it’ll save me a bit of a headache. |
Interesting. I have never heard of a tire shop turning down business. They still make money with mount/balance jobs.
My curiosity is piqued. I'm gonna ask my local tire guys if they mount tires from online sellers. _________________ nothing |
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richparker Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2011 Posts: 6980 Location: Durango, CO
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vwwestyman Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2004 Posts: 5688 Location: Manhattan, Kansas, USA
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:45 am Post subject: Re: The Tire Sticky FAQ |
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I'm pretty sure Tire Rack has deals with installers, and that tires can be shipped directly to the shop so you don't have to pick them up at your house and haul them to the shop.
My local place was willing to dismount two of the General Grabber tires I had on my Thing and mount them on my Bus rims so I could see if I liked how it steered, and then later remount them on the Thing rims. I just had to pay the labor each time.
Later they mounted one of my old Bus tires on the Thing's spare rim.
They even had to track down an adapter to be able to balance tires on the Thing rims, but they did do it.
So yeah, I'm surprised anyone would say they won't mount tires brought in. Though I stopped buying tires from Tire Rack and started buying from the local place years ago, because of service like this. _________________ Dave Cook
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cdennisg Samba Member
Joined: November 02, 2004 Posts: 20271 Location: Sandpoint, ID
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:42 am Post subject: Re: The Tire Sticky FAQ |
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For the record, I have never bought tires online to have mounted locally. I buy all of my new tires at my favorite local shop. But I have had them mount many, many used tires for me over the years, sometimes they do it for nothing. That is what buying 8-10 new sets of tires from one place over the years will get you. _________________ nothing |
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist
Joined: June 10, 2004 Posts: 13389 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:47 am Post subject: Re: The Tire Sticky FAQ |
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cdennisg wrote: |
Any shop can mount the tires. But may not be able to balance them. Don't worry about it. I have not had a bus tire/wheel balanced in years, and have never had a problem. |
While I agree that some shops can't balance certain rims or do it accurately, I still always recommend having the tires balanced. It can make a difference in preventing vibrations above 45 miles an hour. No difference than when you have too much laundry on one side of the washing machine that causes it to vibrate off the floor. I had Discount tires mount and balance some tires I bought online for my bus. They had the cones to balance them.
After driving the bus on the freeway, it was apparent that they didn't do a good job. I use to balance tires on cars at a shop in the 80's. A decade ago I bought a spin balancer that spins up the front tires. When I checked them, they were all off from 2 oz up to 4 oz. This was why I felt the vibration at speed. I rebalanced them on the bus and the vibration was gone. You use the engine and spin up the rear tires on the bus, one side at a time. You spin up the rear tire, get a feel for how much vibration the tire is causing and add weights. It takes about 10-15 minutes a wheel while moving the weight around to find the sweet spot and then adding more or less weight until the vibration is gone.
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KentABQ Samba Member
Joined: September 11, 2016 Posts: 2406 Location: Albuquerque NM
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:56 am Post subject: Re: The Tire Sticky FAQ |
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wcfvw69 wrote: |
A decade ago I bought a spin balancer that spins up the front tires. When I checked them, they were all off from 2 oz up to 4 oz. This was why I felt the vibration at speed. I rebalanced them on the bus and the vibration was gone. You use the engine and spin up the rear tires on the bus, one side at a time. You spin up the rear tire, get a feel for how much vibration the tire is causing and add weights. It takes about 10-15 minutes a wheel while moving the weight around to find the sweet spot and then adding more or less weight until the vibration is gone.
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CarlosZ Samba Member
Joined: April 23, 2016 Posts: 319 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:00 am Post subject: Re: The Tire Sticky FAQ |
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I used to work at America’s Tire Co./Discount Tire Co. in the 90s and we would mount and balance any road worthy tire brought in by a customer. Labor (mount and balance) is $$. ATC/DTC mounted them for free if you bought from us. Any decent ship should be able to balance any wheel, VW wheels aren’t anything special.
You’ll usually feel (in the steering wheel=front, seat of your pants=rears) the out of balance tire when driving around 65mph. Some cars have such poor suspension and steering that you may not feel an out of balance tire.
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cdennisg Samba Member
Joined: November 02, 2004 Posts: 20271 Location: Sandpoint, ID
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:19 am Post subject: Re: The Tire Sticky FAQ |
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Tens of thousands of miles behind the wheel of a VW bus, and the last two sets of tires (BFG all Terrains and Cooper Discoverers) required no balance and did not vibrate. I have run a few used sets of Goodyear 195/75R14 LT from the USPS trucks with no balance, too. Same result.
I have a nice set of Starfire 27x8.5r14 on my 68 single cab, but have not hit the road with them yet. I did not balance them. If they vibrate, I will have them balanced.
I rarely drive a bus over 60MPH. Maybe that is the difference. _________________ nothing |
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist
Joined: June 10, 2004 Posts: 13389 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:00 pm Post subject: Re: The Tire Sticky FAQ |
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Oh maaaaaan.... you've got ALL the cool toys.
Now WastedYouth is gonna want one too... [/quote]
LOL!
I think I paid $100 for that 60's Snap-on tire spinner a decade ago. It's paid for itself many times over. Having three old VW's to spin balance helps reduce outside labor costs!
What's sad is balancing the tires on the car is SO much more accurate than taking the tire off the vehicle and balancing it on a 'modern tire balancing' machine. Why? When you balance the tire on the vehicle, you're balancing the ENTIRE rotating assembly. The tire, rim, drum and hub cap. _________________ Contact me at [email protected]
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SGKent Samba Member
Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 41031 Location: Citrus Heights CA (Near Sacramento)
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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: The Tire Sticky FAQ |
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walk into your local friendly tire shop that sells the brand tire you want and ask them politely, "I know you have overhead and need to make a profit to keep the doors open, but how close to Internet prices can you come - in general?" If they show a willingness to play, which most will say yes to, if so reach in your back pocket and pull out a printed copy of the quote online you got WITH SHIPPING and tax if any. Hand it to them and say "these are the ones I am interested in, how close can you come, complete with mounting and balancing?" My guess is that their price will be within $15 to $20 of that price - and they will warranty a tire if you have a problem, and the money stays in your community and feeds local families who play with your kids in school. They may have to order the tires so be patient if it takes them a couple of days to get them. 15 years ago brick and mortar didn't like to come close to matching online prices from reputable sellers but these days it is a fact of life if a business wants to stay open. They do it to businesses they buy from too.
And, if the difference of $15 or $20 is whether you will build a relationship with a store, then my thought is that in the long run you won't save money because when a tire fails, or there is a problem with something - no one will be there to help. We've bought tires at $10 more for all 4 than online, then had the business wink and hand us a coupon from a tire manufacturer worth a $75 rebate so it actually cost us $65 less locally than online. Its like the coupons your doctor hands you for prescriptions - "here are a few coupons, give one of these to your best customers who buy our tires .... ." _________________ “Most people don’t know what they’re doing, and a lot of them are really good at it.” - George Carlin |
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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: The Tire Sticky FAQ |
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SGKent wrote: |
And, if the difference of $15 or $20 is whether you will build a relationship with a store, then my thought is that in the long run you won't save money because when a tire fails, or there is a problem with something - no one will be there to help. We've bought tires at $10 more for all 4 than online, then had the business wink and hand us a coupon from a tire manufacturer worth a $75 rebate so it actually cost us $65 less locally than online. Its like the coupons your doctor hands you for prescriptions - "here are a few coupons, give one of these to your best customers who buy our tires .... ." |
Yes! My last tire purchase was from BusDepot, because the RA08s were being discontinued, and they were the only ones with the 195 size in stock. I saved $30 over the store price, and it continues to bite me in the ass every time I have to get them balanced. Free lifetime balance from Discuont/America’s (same company) if you buy the tires locally, but now I pay $70 a year for the “convenience” of shopping for tires online....
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