5 speed in a Vanagon

Christopher Schimke · Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:34 pm Post subject: 5 speed in a Vanagon

I might have the opportunity to purchase a 5 spd for my Vanagon.

Is this a direct bolt in? Anyone driven or driving a Vanagon with a 5spd?
Is it worth it? Any other useful information?

Thanks!
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wbx · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:45 am Post subject: Re: 5 speed in a Vanagon

Christopher Schimke · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:47 am Post subject:

It's a European Gas model.
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wbx · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:43 am Post subject:

vwjedi · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:30 am Post subject:

I long to shift into a fifth gear, my wife is so used to driving our TDI that she accidently downshifts to 3rd looking for 5th. Shocked

How much would one of these little puppies run? $$$$$
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wbx · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:36 am Post subject:

r39o · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:23 am Post subject:

Cheap is realitive. I got some Caddy parts from SA in the past, but they were small items. I have been in contact with a breaker in SA. Parts no problem. Payment via credit card, no problem. Shipping is a problem. I would have to buy a container load before the shipping costs would be reasonable. Or just have them send the parts to convert a 4 speed. My brother has the tools.

Ratios. Different boxes have different ratios. You can mix and match with Weddle, if you want. I think it was like $1700 for a custom 5 speed. If I had a stick shift van, I would do the 5 speed. I may yet, but we kinda like the auto as it is so brainless. Then again as I am changing final drive ratios when I change the engine, I may rethink that. But, I have enough to worry about driving that big box. The kids do not help me drive, either.

So there you go....
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Christopher Schimke · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:54 pm Post subject:

Cool thanks guy's.

So, what is the shift pattern? If reverse becomes 1st, is second straight down or right and down? Where is reverse?
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wbx · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:48 pm Post subject:

weinerwagen · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:06 pm Post subject:

How bout posting the gear ratios of 1-5. Let us compare what VW did in regards to the 5 vs the 5.

In my A-2 diesels I can tell you that having that 5th gear, even if it is still
only slightly higher than the 4th (in regards to the GLI trans),

I put a GTI 84 in my Caddy truck diesel, pulled it out after a few weeks. Geared way too low. Guess the magic wand 5 speed is not always the answer....

wbx · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:15 pm Post subject:

weinerwagen · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:25 pm Post subject:

D Clymer · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:59 pm Post subject:

The 094 5 speed has always been kind of a puzzle to me. Obviously the Vanagon needs a taller cruising gear than 4th. But if you look at the ratios on the 5 speed, first gear is about 9% shorter than with the four speed, and 5th is about 9% taller. If you get one with the .82 fifth, you're only 4% taller. They should have kept first and second the same, shortened third and fourth, used the .82 fifth and then run a 4.57:1 final drive. I would gladly pay the money for a tranny with ratios like those.

David

weinerwagen · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:19 pm Post subject:

Having been the lucky sap who has driven big rigs off and on since 1974...I sware by multi geared trans.

I sometimes dream that my Vanagon diesel had a 7-8 speed in it. It would be a blast to drive with a multi geared close ratio trans

I'm doing an 84 automatic with a turbo diesel in it. But we are changing the final drive.

One of these days when I am rich with plenty of money to just throw in the wind, my 3 litre Cat power plant engine is going into an automatic Vanagon, BUT the final drive has to be in the high 2's to low 3's.

r39o · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:49 pm Post subject:

weinerwagen · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:54 pm Post subject:

Where are you getting that from? Ratio?[/quote]

Having it built. Custom built. One of my race car engine builders said he could either find one, or have one made.

SOOOOO......he got a sample and I wait... Rolling Eyes

r39o · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:01 pm Post subject:

You can get one other final drive set at fastforward.ca
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weinerwagen · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:32 pm Post subject:

hmmmmmm a 2.88 to 3.40ish one???

My little Cat runs between 1800-2300. Therein, the final drive gotta be a lower numba or we only goes 40-50 mph max....

gunna check with fastforward manana. Momma cat has already walked twice across the laptop. Bedtime... Confused

Wellington · Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:38 am Post subject:

I have been led to believe that the 5 speed is a direct bolt in, however you need ALL the 5 speed parts, linkage gear shifter, bushings etc.
I have the Weedle catalogue and they offer all the parts. They list 3 or 4 different 5 speeds, the R&P is different. They also offer a taller 5 as an option. I think the price range was 1700 to 2300 for the tranny, about 300$ more for the optional taller gear.
Tomorrow I will post the ratios they have as off the shelf.

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I just talked to Steve Jones from Weddle engineering today. They have in the past had all of the conversion parts. They currently do not.

He also stated that the first 3 gears could not be changed.

His estimate for cost was $1500 or more


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