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ALLWAGONS
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 Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2024 6:42 pm Post subject: Re: Baywindow "Rarest of the Rare" FAQ |
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M221 Vent wings
M222 Fixed wings
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notchboy
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| Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2024 12:05 pm Post subject: Re: Baywindow "Rarest of the Rare" FAQ |
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Yes. There is an M-Code to add opening vent wings. Its a stand alone M-Code as well as combined package M-Codes for an example - US Export Buses.
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NASkeet
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| Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2024 11:36 am Post subject: Re: Baywindow "Rarest of the Rare" FAQ |
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| rebel1968 wrote: |
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I brought home a 69 tintop part bus this weekend. Came with this rare (?) fixed front windows. Sorry for the night pics 
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All australian buses had fixed quarter windows so not rare at all |
British specification, 1968~79 VW Type 2s also had fixed (i.e. non-openable) cab-door quarter-light windows, and I suspect this was the norm in Europe too; unless one specified the openable variety as an extra-cost option, or possibly one had the ultra-luxury version of the Microbus.
Also note that British specification, 1968~79 VW Type 2s also lacked the electrically-heated rear window, padded dashboard, glove-box cover, laminated front windscreen and other luxuries such as vacuum brake-servo assistance on the 1971~79 VW 1600 Type 2 with front disc brakes; which typically require both feet on the brake pedal to perform an emergency stop! 
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| Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:20 am Post subject: Re: Baywindow "Rarest of the Rare" FAQ |
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| sebgi1 wrote: |
I brought home a 69 tintop part bus this weekend. Came with this rare (?) fixed front windows. Sorry for the night pics
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Wow... a non A/C bus |
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ALLWAGONS
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| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:59 pm Post subject: Re: Baywindow "Rarest of the Rare" FAQ |
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| is the RHD padded dashboard a hard to find one? |
I live in Great Britain, where my family and I have had a 1968~79 VW Type 2 since January 1975, and I have never seen a RHD padded dashboard!
There is no RHD padded dashboard listed in the book of factory-fitted options and M-codes. There are also other factory-fitted options which were NOT available for RHD vehicles |
lhd and rhd dash padding is the same no difference |
No, not the same. The driver side for early bay , the padded and dashboard are both notched due to steering wheel housing. |
And the dash top is quite different, with the grand handle and curved cut out for the gauge area. |
not the same
LHD is 211 857 205B
RHD is 214 857 205 and 214 857 205 B
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| My British specification, 1973 model-year, VW 1600 Type 2 Westfalia Continental motor-caravan (manufactured in circal late-August or early-September 1972) was factory-fitted with the earlier style speedometer and other instrumentation, having the inner chromium-plated trim ring. |
My instrument cluster is marked: 802 & 7.72 (i.e. July 1972) | 21/250 | 214 957 023 ARL
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cdennisg
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| Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2023 8:25 am Post subject: Re: Baywindow "Rarest of the Rare" FAQ |
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| napat wrote: |
| rebel1968 wrote: |
| NASkeet wrote: |
| napat wrote: |
| is the RHD padded dashboard a hard to find one? |
I live in Great Britain, where my family and I have had a 1968~79 VW Type 2 since January 1975, and I have never seen a RHD padded dashboard!
There is no RHD padded dashboard listed in the book of factory-fitted options and M-codes. There are also other factory-fitted options which were NOT available for RHD vehicles |
lhd and rhd dash padding is the same no difference |
No, not the same. The driver side for early bay , the padded and dashboard are both notched due to steering wheel housing. |
And the dash top is quite different, with the grand handle and curved cut out for the gauge area.
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busdaddy
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| Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2023 8:17 am Post subject: Re: Baywindow "Rarest of the Rare" FAQ |
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| rsbadura wrote: |
| sebgi1 wrote: |
| I brought home a 69 tintop part bus this weekend. Came with this rare (?) fixed front windows. |
In the German price list for model '69 (and later) the fixed windows are standard for all models,
except the L(uxury) Bus model with opening cab vent wings for free as standard (for all other including standard Bus only an option M 507).
So nothing rare here in Europe - rather common and standard equipment. |
Only "rare" in North America where opening ones were standard equipment on all models.
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rsbadura
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| Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2023 1:14 am Post subject: Re: Baywindow "Rarest of the Rare" FAQ |
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| sebgi1 wrote: |
| I brought home a 69 tintop part bus this weekend. Came with this rare (?) fixed front windows. |
In the German price list for model '69 (and later) the fixed windows are standard for all models,
except the L(uxury) Bus model with opening cab vent wings for free as standard (for all other including standard Bus only an option M 507).
So nothing rare here in Europe - rather common and standard equipment.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2023 12:10 am Post subject: Re: Baywindow "Rarest of the Rare" FAQ |
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| rebel1968 wrote: |
| NASkeet wrote: |
| napat wrote: |
| is the RHD padded dashboard a hard to find one? |
I live in Great Britain, where my family and I have had a 1968~79 VW Type 2 since January 1975, and I have never seen a RHD padded dashboard!
There is no RHD padded dashboard listed in the book of factory-fitted options and M-codes. There are also other factory-fitted options which were NOT available for RHD vehicles |
lhd and rhd dash padding is the same no difference |
No, not the same. The driver side for early bay , the padded and dashboard are both notched due to steering wheel housing.
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rebel1968
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| Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2023 11:31 pm Post subject: Re: Baywindow "Rarest of the Rare" FAQ |
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| NASkeet wrote: |
| napat wrote: |
| is the RHD padded dashboard a hard to find one? |
I live in Great Britain, where my family and I have had a 1968~79 VW Type 2 since January 1975, and I have never seen a RHD padded dashboard!
There is no RHD padded dashboard listed in the book of factory-fitted options and M-codes. There are also other factory-fitted options which were NOT available for RHD vehicles |
lhd and rhd dash padding is the same no difference |
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rebel1968
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| Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2023 11:31 pm Post subject: Re: Baywindow "Rarest of the Rare" FAQ |
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| sebgi1 wrote: |
I brought home a 69 tintop part bus this weekend. Came with this rare (?) fixed front windows. Sorry for the night pics
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All australian buses had fixed quarter windows so not rare at all |
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rebel1968
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| Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2023 11:30 pm Post subject: Re: Baywindow "Rarest of the Rare" FAQ |
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| napat wrote: |
| is the RHD padded dashboard a hard to find one? |
I live in Great Britain, where my family and I have had a 1968~79 VW Type 2 since January 1975, and I have never seen a RHD padded dashboard!
There is no RHD padded dashboard listed in the book of factory-fitted options and M-codes. There are also other factory-fitted options which were NOT available for RHD vehicles |
lhd and rhd dash padding is the same no difference |
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NASkeet
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MPH speedo with trip reset odometer (NOS).
Part number: 211 957 057 C
Unit date stamped 11.73 (November 1973).
The 'mid bay' grey face correct for model years 1973-1975 late bay window (i.e. Type 2 production dates 1st August 1972 through to 31st July 1975).
The same period KMH speedo with trip reset odometer.
Part number? (Ratwell lists 211 957 055 D as a possibility).
Unit date stamped 2.73 (February 1973).
Side by side (Note the different speedo needles):
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My British specification, 1973 model-year, VW 1600 Type 2 Westfalia Continental motor-caravan (manufactured in circal late-August or early-September 1972) was factory-fitted with the earlier style speedometer and other instrumentation, having the inner chromium-plated trim ring.
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sebgi1
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:10 pm Post subject: Re: Baywindow "Rarest of the Rare" FAQ |
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| Does the VIN on the M plate match the number in the back? |
Yep!
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: Baywindow "Rarest of the Rare" FAQ |
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Could have had the doors swapped, or just the vents. 20+ years ago you could find a Euro spec bus in most wrecking yards, that drive across Canada was on the bucket list of many Germans. When they were done the already partially rotten bus wasn't worth shipping home, most got sold locally before they boarded a plane for home and lots of them didn't survive the new owners very long. Maybe a PO of yours found a parts donor that arrived here in such a way.
Even a lowly panel van delivered anywhere in North America came standard with opening cab vent wings (and a pile of other things), it was part of the NA spec package. Does the VIN on the M plate match the number in the back?
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sebgi1
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 4:38 pm Post subject: Re: Baywindow "Rarest of the Rare" FAQ |
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M-plate says delivered in Quebec (KQ) but no code for the vent … may be from an other bus…
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 3:59 pm Post subject: Re: Baywindow "Rarest of the Rare" FAQ |
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Yeah, quite common in Europe, but not North America, likely a camper some tourists from the Continent shipped over and left there after touring.
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sebgi1
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 3:24 pm Post subject: Re: Baywindow "Rarest of the Rare" FAQ |
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I brought home a 69 tintop part bus this weekend. Came with this rare (?) fixed front windows. Sorry for the night pics
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