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notchboy
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 Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:57 am Post subject: Re: Baywindow "Rarest of the Rare" FAQ |
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| rsbadura wrote: |
| cdennisg wrote: |
| And those big black warts are in improvement how? Am I missing something? |
As I said, against e.g. paint bombs... and other things like eggs, mud ... thrown by protesters.
If you need urgent a lot of water on the whole windscreen - and not only a drop of water and wipers smear over this 
This is not a normal or common police car as e.g. at a traffic accident. This is used with its speakers in case of political demonstrations - emagine in the seventies thousands of people against war as Vietnam, nuclear weapons, nuclear power and its scrap, ... police with other cars as e.g. big water cannons on trucks and hundrets or thousands of police men in protective clothing... helicopters over them... then you have the scenario for this car. It did not stand with its speakers in the first row, because of missing window grilles (or: there are some brackets, may be removable - and may be these were not combatible with the standard washers jets), that some other police car need to have.
These screen washer jets are not mounted on normal police bay windows. I guess they come from other vehicles like trucks - but never seen them as on this car - so extremely rare, but not from VW. The bay window was transformed to a police car by "Franz Xaver Kögel" company, https://www.koegel.com/, that since 1934 till today build special trucks and trailers.
My few pictures from inside the cabine, I see part of a standard kick panel - not the swedish extra large water reservoir. But I cannot see at my pictures the water pump or standard reservoir or what mounted instead of them.
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I can only imagine the stuff they were preparing this bus for. The washers, as you say look like they are from something else. We can see the cowl adapter in this shot to better place these to the body curve.
What kind of water tank was it? The Sweedish one is big, but not big enough for the action this bus would see. 
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molenari
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| Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:45 pm Post subject: Re: Baywindow "Rarest of the Rare" FAQ |
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| otiswesty wrote: |
| I'm not sure my headlights need washing, but I think I'll just go with the optional T2 wind screen washer jets, rather than that wiper arm mounted funny business. |
They weren't exactly optional by VW. The Mcodes of this bus could all be translated, no unknown codes. So I think they were installed afterwards by the company that did the police conversion.
Here the codes are explained in German (link previously posted by rsbadura)
https://www.bullimuseum.eu/fahrzeuge/typ-23-bereitschaftspolizei
For the English version I refer to page 101 of our book (that I wrote with Alexander Prinz) 
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| Still looking for a nice set for sale tho. |
I knew someone would come with a question like this some day 
To help you with your search I took some detailed pics at the Maikäfertreffen 2017 and uploaded them. Here they are:
And a close up of the partnr. So you can Google it and hopefully you get more hits than just this message in which i mention the partnr :
601 860 00 47
It appears to be a Mercedes Benz part and was made by Hella.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=2005504
The '601' in the part number probably means it was used on a Mercedes Benz type 601. It's a late 70ties van. Although I don't see these big washer on old pics of these vans:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_TN
Good luck on your quest for these jets!
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otiswesty
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| Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:17 pm Post subject: Re: Baywindow "Rarest of the Rare" FAQ |
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LOL
I wouldn't put those on my bus, just pullin all ya'lls thongs up in the crack a bit
The water tank in the police bus was standard size, unbelievably
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| Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:19 pm Post subject: Re: Baywindow "Rarest of the Rare" FAQ |
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| molenari wrote: |
The '601' in the part number probably means it was used on a Mercedes Benz type 601. It's a late 70ties van. Although I don't see these big washer on old pics of these vans:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_TN
Good luck on your quest for these jets! |
I believe they were used as headlight washers on the Mercedes vans
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molenari
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| Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:27 am Post subject: Re: Baywindow "Rarest of the Rare" FAQ |
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| I believe they were used as headlight washers on the Mercedes vans |
I searched for a picture of those headlmap washers. They appear to be rare on that type of van. But here's one:
source: https://www.car.info/en-se/mercedes-benz/tn/tn-10063250
Seems to match the ones on the German Police van.
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otiswesty
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| Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:38 pm Post subject: Re: Baywindow "Rarest of the Rare" FAQ |
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Thanks for your great pic of the part number on that hard to see surface. Solved a mystery for me.
I wonder if they were made for the Swedish market only like the T2 and T3 headlight washers or perhaps just a seldom ordered option. That looks like a Swedish website that you linked the picture from.
I do have a set of the black rubber headlight washer bumper over riders for my T2b, but I prefer the VWoA painted steel version on my bus. The big tank and electric pump are still nice for washing the windshield though, a nice modern convenience in a period and model type correct product.
For those averse to drilling washer tube/foot ventilator holes in the front nose of their bus, there appears to be enough clearance to run a hose up to the nozzle from underneath the body between the bumper over rider and the bumper.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:35 pm Post subject: Re: Baywindow "Rarest of the Rare" FAQ |
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Mystery solved!!!
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molenari
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| Posted: Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:52 am Post subject: Re: Baywindow "Rarest of the Rare" FAQ |
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The water tank in the police bus was standard size, unbelievably
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I haven't looked inside this bus so I don't know the actual construction of the window washer. But I can't imagine the standard reservoir would be used for these powerful nozzles. The driver would be without water and water pressure in no time. Not cool when your windshield is covered with paint while facing a hostile crowd.
The regular tank only holds 1,5 liter, the original bay window headlamp washer tank holds 8 liters. The tank of my 1982 'headlamp washer equiped' VW Passat GL holds even 10 liters!
So I bet the Mercedes version would hold a similar amount of water and needed an electrical pump. It is probably hidden somewhere in the cab of this bay window police van. If I ever get the chance: I will look inside a Police van like this, take a picture of the tank and share it with the group
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| I wonder if they were made for the Swedish market only like the T2 and T3 headlight washers or perhaps just a seldom ordered option. That looks like a Swedish website that you linked the picture from. |
Yes, I think is it a Swedish page. I specifically searched for Swedish buses and it was hard to find a picture of this type of MB-bus with headlamp washers.
I think the headlamp washers were requiered in Sweden from about 1974 onwards. The option (M288) was introduced in that model year and you see them on all the Swedish bay window buses from that year onwards (also on other VW-models).
By the way:
The headlamp washer wasn't a "Sweden only"-thing. They were available as well on buses exported to other markets (perhaps not the USA though). But it was ordered on new buses in a very small number of cases outside Sweden.
I guess the same goes for Mercedes Benz vans of that time.
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If you look closely you can see the original bay window headlamp washer is also still installed. So with the original tank still there I think the basic windshield washer installation still works:
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notchboy
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| Posted: Sat Feb 29, 2020 10:48 am Post subject: Re: Baywindow "Rarest of the Rare" FAQ |
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below the black & silver HELLA maps lamp and the dashboard I see a curious, thumb-thick garden hose  (and a cable)...
May be the second water reservoir is also behind the kick panel - or below the cabin behind the center metal cover
(there is lot of space for speed control, melody fanfare or other wild things ) |
Yes, I see it. It looks like the beige-colored cloth-covered OG hose that came with mine.
Seen on the pump below.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 12:22 am Post subject: Re: Baywindow "Rarest of the Rare" FAQ |
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It was sold tot me as original for baywidow bus, but i don't fond any info about it.
Is is a locking fuel Cap fitting on a '74 Westfalia camper.
You can't get the key out when the cap is of the bus, with the after market one's you can, so the cap is always locked
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 8:04 am Post subject: Re: Baywindow "Rarest of the Rare" FAQ |
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The above cap is correct and original. Hardly ever see them. I much prefer this type where the key is captive so you can't forget the cap on top of the gas station pump...
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 8:12 am Post subject: Re: Baywindow "Rarest of the Rare" FAQ |
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is the RHD padded dashboard a hard to find one?
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wim3600
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:59 am Post subject: Re: Baywindow "Rarest of the Rare" FAQ |
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| The above cap is correct and original. Hardly ever see them. I much prefer this type where the key is captive so you can't forget the cap on top of the gas station pump... |
i did twice  (luckily there where after market ones) |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: Baywindow "Rarest of the Rare" FAQ |
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Y’all know you can put your gas cap in the pump cradle so it’s impossible to put the nozzle back without grabbing your gas cap, right?
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:42 am Post subject: Re: Baywindow "Rarest of the Rare" FAQ |
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Anyone ever drive off with nozzle still in filler neck?
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:22 am Post subject: Re: Baywindow "Rarest of the Rare" FAQ |
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| Anyone ever drive off with nozzle still in filler neck? |
No, fortunately not, my bus is not that greedy. |
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