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ALIKA T3 Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2009 Posts: 6360 Location: Honolulu,Hawaii and France
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:20 am Post subject: Re: Adding Power Windows & Door Locks |
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I'm doing the same thing on an 85, but the Spal motor and cables will be behind the panel to not have a hump.
I looked at a factory power lock and window door, they have a hole and a large boot that goes from the van to the door. The hole is cut in the air channel, but you cannot cut one where it actually is. It is cut from factory before panel assembly of the door.
The best way is to cut a hole through both sides of the air channel (first one to access the back side, then a second hole) if you want to have wires routed the same way as factory _________________ Silicone Steering Boots and 930 Cv boots for sale in the classifieds.
Syncro transmission upgrade parts in the Classifieds.
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http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416343
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ledogboy Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2005 Posts: 578 Location: Scappoose, OR / Oakland, CA
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 12:11 am Post subject: Re: Adding Power Windows & Door Locks |
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Hey all-
I just started working on installing my MES locks and Spal power windows this evening. On my '86, there is a channel in the door that is preventing me from getting the actuator wires to where I want them. The speaker wires actually poke through a grommet and then are sandwiched between the sheet metal and the door card like this:
Which seems different than the later model westy pictures earlier in this thread:
Any thoughts on the best way to route all of this wire? The channel seems to prevent me from either getting up to the actuator, or down to where the Spal will go. So far my best thought is to install a grommet in a hole in the sheet metal and sandwich the wires ala the speaker wire- but the five wire actuator bundle is a hell of a lot bulkier. Here is a pic of the hole I'm thinking of using (was covered by tape at the factory, from the look of it):
Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
Cheers,
Ryan _________________ 1986 Westy Weekender
Now a full camper
1.8t Syncro conversion
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wewantphil Samba Member
Joined: January 18, 2016 Posts: 3
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Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:25 pm Post subject: Re: Adding Power Windows & Door Locks |
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I somewhat started my spal windows project today after installing remote keyless lock actuators earlier. I plan to use both of the taller spacers to recess the crank about 3/4" into the door in hopes that the whole works will fit behind the panel. we'll see how that goes. not sure about motor placement yet but might just go with what was pictured in this thread. what's wrong with that location? (beside taking up space where you could put a larger speaker) |
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ALIKA T3 Samba Member
Joined: July 30, 2009 Posts: 6360 Location: Honolulu,Hawaii and France
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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 1:28 am Post subject: Re: Adding Power Windows & Door Locks |
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Zeitgeist 13 wrote: |
I believe the SPAL units use the stock manual winders, and the crank post definitely sticks out proud of the panel. |
It does but I already documented a few years ago how to install it recessed andf cleaner: you can put 1/4" spacers to get the shaft inside the door panel.
I'm actually doing it again on another van figuring out a better motor location, next to the door opening handle.It's tight, but it fits. I'm figuring out a bracket solution _________________ Silicone Steering Boots and 930 Cv boots for sale in the classifieds.
Syncro transmission upgrade parts in the Classifieds.
Subaru EJ22+UN1 5 speed transmission
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416343
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member
Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 12115 Location: Port Manteau
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:35 pm Post subject: Re: Adding Power Windows & Door Locks |
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I believe the SPAL units use the stock manual winders, and the crank post definitely sticks out proud of the panel. _________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik? |
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wewantphil Samba Member
Joined: January 18, 2016 Posts: 3
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: Adding Power Windows & Door Locks |
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question to folks who have installed the SPAL kit. Looks like the cover for the manual crank in your door panel is pretty close to flush. Seeing as I am replacing the door panels with new ones that don't yet have a cut out for the crank, do you think it's close enough to either not have to cut a hole and then cover it, or perhaps shave the height of the crank gear down slightly and eliminate the need to cut a hole then cover it? I'm sure I will have my answer once I'm way deep into this project, but just thought I'd ask in case someone can remember how their install went. |
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luVWagn Samba Member
Joined: February 21, 2008 Posts: 1340 Location: Snoqualmie (WA)
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2014 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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shadetreetim wrote: |
luVWagn wrote: |
ShadeTreeTim,
Do you have a single or double identical switch(es) on the passenger side door?
Edit - looked at the good kit, looks like double on drivers side and single on passenger. Nice! |
luVWagn,
The kit comes with a single on the passenger side. Wiring harness included. Whynotvw's picture is exactly how I installed my motor's. An afternoon's work. |
Yup, I finally did mine a few weeks ago - for me it was more like a weekend's work, but that's par for the course as a mechanically declined individual
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7197867#7197867
_________________ '91 Syncro 16 Reimo Hightop Conversion, eTDI |
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JPrato Samba Member
Joined: December 15, 2006 Posts: 791 Location: Livonia, NY
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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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whynotvw wrote: |
I would use the factory used contacts for the slider. I bought the A-1 contact for the slider and noticed those will not work as well as the factory ones. |
They work OK but you need to make a mount to allow it to stick out halfway on the door edge. Factory is the way to go, but you might not be able to find one when you need one. In your case you had one handy.
_________________ Joe
87 Syncro Tin Top project
84 Westy, 2.5L Subaru power
06 Subaru 2.5 turbo in waiting
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singler3360 Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2009 Posts: 1191 Location: Corvallis, Oregon
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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:09 am Post subject: |
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Bump.
Has anyone installed the A1 MES power lock to the rear hatch in a van that did not come with it? What additional parts were needed? Pics?
Thanks. |
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shadetreetim Samba Member
Joined: January 10, 2011 Posts: 1994 Location: Riverside, California
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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My factory central locking is missing a lot of parts. I plan on getting the A-1 kit w/remote. _________________ Tim Potts
Doing my best every time I drive it to dispel the myth these Vanagons have to be slow!
'89 Vanagon Bluestar/Country Homes 1.8T & .77 4th
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whynotvw Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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I would use the factory used contacts for the slider. I bought the A-1 contact for the slider and noticed those will not work as well as the factory ones.
Here are couple of the pictures to mount the actuators for the doors and for the slider.
You must drill this hole for the linkage and use the rivets like the factory to mount the actuator.
For the slider, best to weld a little piece and drill a hole for the linkage.
picture of the slider, make the linkage paralllel as possible so you dont have problems down the line. I used two bars $5 and riveted them in and used it for acutator.
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singler3360 Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2009 Posts: 1191 Location: Corvallis, Oregon
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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JPrato,
What did you use to back the A1 contact plate? How's it holding up? Your install looks good.
As mentioned in the other thread, I ended up sourcing a set of stock contact plates at added expense. Future installers would benefit from your experience with the A1 plates. |
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JPrato Samba Member
Joined: December 15, 2006 Posts: 791 Location: Livonia, NY
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insyncro Banned
Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 15086 Location: New York
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:27 am Post subject: |
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MsTaboo wrote: |
Anyone added power door locks to their van lately?
Thoughts? |
Yes.
I just removed all of the parts and every wire without cutting anything to swap them into a Syncro van that didn't have them from the factory.
Not a job for anyone in a rush or lacking patience.
The Syncro has been bare metalled for paint and the interior gutted so running the factory wires was easy...just as VW did when the vans were being built. |
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MsTaboo Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2006 Posts: 4098 Location: East Kootenay, British Columbia
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:21 am Post subject: |
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Excellent, thanks guys.
On further reflection I think I'll do without the rear hatch also. _________________ Currently:
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shadetreetim Samba Member
Joined: January 10, 2011 Posts: 1994 Location: Riverside, California
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:20 am Post subject: |
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luVWagn wrote: |
ShadeTreeTim,
Do you have a single or double identical switch(es) on the passenger side door?
Edit - looked at the good kit, looks like double on drivers side and single on passenger. Nice! |
luVWagn,
The kit comes with a single on the passenger side. Wiring harness included. Whynotvw's picture is exactly how I installed my motor's. An afternoon's work. _________________ Tim Potts
Doing my best every time I drive it to dispel the myth these Vanagons have to be slow!
'89 Vanagon Bluestar/Country Homes 1.8T & .77 4th
'74 Jeep CJ5 |
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singler3360 Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2009 Posts: 1191 Location: Corvallis, Oregon
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:05 am Post subject: |
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whynotvw wrote: |
MsTaboo wrote: |
Thanks guys. But, I'm only interested in power locks. I actually like manual windows
Do these after market door locks work with the slider and rear latch? |
The after market power locks come with four actuators. Which means you can make the doors,slider, and the hatch.
I did the doors and the slider. I didn't do the hatch because the wiring to the back was enormous amount of work for my weekender. I did a write up do some search. The slider is definitely a challenge. But once finished all worth the trouble. |
Here's a thread that will help:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=317539&start=20 |
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luVWagn Samba Member
Joined: February 21, 2008 Posts: 1340 Location: Snoqualmie (WA)
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:52 am Post subject: |
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ShadeTreeTim,
Do you have a single or double identical switch(es) on the passenger side door?
Edit - looked at the good kit, looks like double on drivers side and single on passenger. Nice! _________________ '91 Syncro 16 Reimo Hightop Conversion, eTDI |
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whynotvw Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:30 am Post subject: |
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MsTaboo wrote: |
Thanks guys. But, I'm only interested in power locks. I actually like manual windows
Do these after market door locks work with the slider and rear latch? |
The after market power locks come with four actuators. Which means you can make the doors,slider, and the hatch.
I did the doors and the slider. I didn't do the hatch because the wiring to the back was enormous amount of work for my weekender. I did a write up do some search. The slider is definitely a challenge. But once finished all worth the trouble. |
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MsTaboo Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:15 am Post subject: |
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Thanks guys. But, I'm only interested in power locks. I actually like manual windows
Do these after market door locks work with the slider and rear latch? _________________ Currently:
'90 Syncro Westy 3 knob w/Zetec
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