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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:20 am    Post subject: Re: Adding Power Windows & Door Locks Reply with quote

I'm doing the same thing on an 85, but the Spal motor and cables will be behind the panel to not have a hump.

I looked at a factory power lock and window door, they have a hole and a large boot that goes from the van to the door. The hole is cut in the air channel, but you cannot cut one where it actually is. It is cut from factory before panel assembly of the door.

The best way is to cut a hole through both sides of the air channel (first one to access the back side, then a second hole) if you want to have wires routed the same way as factory Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 12:11 am    Post subject: Re: Adding Power Windows & Door Locks Reply with quote

Hey all-

I just started working on installing my MES locks and Spal power windows this evening. On my '86, there is a channel in the door that is preventing me from getting the actuator wires to where I want them. The speaker wires actually poke through a grommet and then are sandwiched between the sheet metal and the door card like this:

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Which seems different than the later model westy pictures earlier in this thread:

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Any thoughts on the best way to route all of this wire? The channel seems to prevent me from either getting up to the actuator, or down to where the Spal will go. So far my best thought is to install a grommet in a hole in the sheet metal and sandwich the wires ala the speaker wire- but the five wire actuator bundle is a hell of a lot bulkier. Here is a pic of the hole I'm thinking of using (was covered by tape at the factory, from the look of it):

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Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Adding Power Windows & Door Locks Reply with quote

I somewhat started my spal windows project today after installing remote keyless lock actuators earlier. I plan to use both of the taller spacers to recess the crank about 3/4" into the door in hopes that the whole works will fit behind the panel. we'll see how that goes. not sure about motor placement yet but might just go with what was pictured in this thread. what's wrong with that location? (beside taking up space where you could put a larger speaker)
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 1:28 am    Post subject: Re: Adding Power Windows & Door Locks Reply with quote

Zeitgeist 13 wrote:
I believe the SPAL units use the stock manual winders, and the crank post definitely sticks out proud of the panel.


It does but I already documented a few years ago how to install it recessed andf cleaner: you can put 1/4" spacers to get the shaft inside the door panel.
I'm actually doing it again on another van figuring out a better motor location, next to the door opening handle.It's tight, but it fits. I'm figuring out a bracket solution Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Adding Power Windows & Door Locks Reply with quote

I believe the SPAL units use the stock manual winders, and the crank post definitely sticks out proud of the panel.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Adding Power Windows & Door Locks Reply with quote

question to folks who have installed the SPAL kit. Looks like the cover for the manual crank in your door panel is pretty close to flush. Seeing as I am replacing the door panels with new ones that don't yet have a cut out for the crank, do you think it's close enough to either not have to cut a hole and then cover it, or perhaps shave the height of the crank gear down slightly and eliminate the need to cut a hole then cover it? I'm sure I will have my answer once I'm way deep into this project, but just thought I'd ask in case someone can remember how their install went. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shadetreetim wrote:
luVWagn wrote:

ShadeTreeTim,

Do you have a single or double identical switch(es) on the passenger side door?

Edit - looked at the good kit, looks like double on drivers side and single on passenger. Nice!

luVWagn,

The kit comes with a single on the passenger side. Wiring harness included. Whynotvw's picture is exactly how I installed my motor's. An afternoon's work.

Yup, I finally did mine a few weeks ago - for me it was more like a weekend's work, but that's par for the course as a mechanically declined individual Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

whynotvw wrote:
I would use the factory used contacts for the slider. I bought the A-1 contact for the slider and noticed those will not work as well as the factory ones.


They work OK but you need to make a mount to allow it to stick out halfway on the door edge. Factory is the way to go, but you might not be able to find one when you need one. In your case you had one handy.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bump.

Has anyone installed the A1 MES power lock to the rear hatch in a van that did not come with it? What additional parts were needed? Pics?

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My factory central locking is missing a lot of parts. I plan on getting the A-1 kit w/remote.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would use the factory used contacts for the slider. I bought the A-1 contact for the slider and noticed those will not work as well as the factory ones.

Here are couple of the pictures to mount the actuators for the doors and for the slider.

You must drill this hole for the linkage and use the rivets like the factory to mount the actuator.
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For the slider, best to weld a little piece and drill a hole for the linkage.

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picture of the slider, make the linkage paralllel as possible so you dont have problems down the line. I used two bars $5 and riveted them in and used it for acutator.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JPrato,
What did you use to back the A1 contact plate? How's it holding up? Your install looks good.

As mentioned in the other thread, I ended up sourcing a set of stock contact plates at added expense. Future installers would benefit from your experience with the A1 plates.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

singler3360 wrote:


Here's a thread that will help:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=317539&start=20


I used the above thread to install power locks in our 83 1/2 Westy. For the slider you need to get a used contact set up to get the power over to the lock actuator or buy the contacts and make a housing to mount it to the slider door like this.
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I wired my PL to only go up and down by the door switches or the remote, so you only need two wires. If you want all actuators to move when you pull up or push down the door lock button, then you need three wires.

I used this set up http://www.a1electric.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?S...=W02F-712T
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I haven't done the hatch yet.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MsTaboo wrote:
Anyone added power door locks to their van lately?

Thoughts?


Yes.
I just removed all of the parts and every wire without cutting anything to swap them into a Syncro van that didn't have them from the factory.
Not a job for anyone in a rush or lacking patience.
The Syncro has been bare metalled for paint and the interior gutted so running the factory wires was easy...just as VW did when the vans were being built.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent, thanks guys.
On further reflection I think I'll do without the rear hatch also.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

luVWagn wrote:

ShadeTreeTim,

Do you have a single or double identical switch(es) on the passenger side door?

Edit - looked at the good kit, looks like double on drivers side and single on passenger. Nice!

luVWagn,

The kit comes with a single on the passenger side. Wiring harness included. Whynotvw's picture is exactly how I installed my motor's. An afternoon's work.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

whynotvw wrote:
MsTaboo wrote:
Thanks guys. But, I'm only interested in power locks. I actually like manual windows Smile

Do these after market door locks work with the slider and rear latch?



The after market power locks come with four actuators. Which means you can make the doors,slider, and the hatch.

I did the doors and the slider. I didn't do the hatch because the wiring to the back was enormous amount of work for my weekender. I did a write up do some search. The slider is definitely a challenge. But once finished all worth the trouble.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shadetreetim wrote:
These SPAL switches look much better than stock (and come with LED backlighting)
http://www.a1electric.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?S...980-21-007

And here they are installed in my ride
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ShadeTreeTim,

Do you have a single or double identical switch(es) on the passenger side door?

Edit - looked at the good kit, looks like double on drivers side and single on passenger. Nice!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MsTaboo wrote:
Thanks guys. But, I'm only interested in power locks. I actually like manual windows Smile

Do these after market door locks work with the slider and rear latch?



The after market power locks come with four actuators. Which means you can make the doors,slider, and the hatch.

I did the doors and the slider. I didn't do the hatch because the wiring to the back was enormous amount of work for my weekender. I did a write up do some search. The slider is definitely a challenge. But once finished all worth the trouble.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys. But, I'm only interested in power locks. I actually like manual windows Smile

Do these after market door locks work with the slider and rear latch?
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