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ho-dad
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| The Iron Cross came in to outlaw fashion (i guess what we would call it) when Hells Angels started to wear them to piss people off. The reason for this is beacause when they started riding, the war had ended about 10-15 years before that so it reminded American of the Germans as well as the Nazi even though the German had been using the cross for years before hand. |
Remeber, a lot of early biker gangs were comprised of a lot of WW2 vets. Too bad Big Daddy Ed Roth isn't still around - he'd probably know when the Iron Cross first hit the biker/Kustom Kulture scene.
Yes, rebellion is the key word here - let's never stop rebelling!
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mr. warehouse
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Since 94 / 95 I used the Iron Cross as the logo for my biz. I put it on shirts, etc. A few year back all my buddies (that never buya thing) were telling me how "played out" it was and I should change my shirts. So I did. I went with something we all now refer to as the snowflake. At any rate it took me 2 years to sell off all those shirts. When I would have sold the same amount in 3-4 months with the Iron Cross logo. Needless to say, the logo has been changed back.
Call it what you will, but the people that actually buy want that cross. Why? I don't care, but I'll be here to help them find it. |
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Dusty1
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| Foxx4086 JHC wrote: |
| lots of west coast choppers type crap. |
Yeah yeah! Count on Frankie to nail the Jesse James connection!
Regardless of ancient history good ol' J.C. Whitney sold TONS of maltese cross mirrors and iron cross tail lights for chopper crap back in the '70s. Dixie Cycle had warehouses full of them, probably still do!
We all know that everything old is new again, count on the marketing genius of Mr. James to mine big bucks out of something that was passe... before he re-discovered and re-sold it! So now anything WCC has big ol' iron crosses all over it and of course the big ol' iron crosses have spilled out into the entire hot rod movement, heck, if you can't afford it in metal you can certainly afford the T-shirt!
Now who's that blonde chick who has Von Dutch spinnin' in his grave?! |
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Klemen Klemen
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| Klemen Klemen wrote: |
| notchback wrote: |
| patrickm2213 wrote: |
| In the simplest way I can think to explain it is that the iron cross is to german, what the bald eagle is to the united states. |
I'm sure the original poster knows exactly what you're talking about considering he is from Slovenia. |
...meaning? |
Sorry about that over sight on my part, but this is the coat of arms of Slovenia right?
Think of it in those terms as to what the meaning is. Do they use this with the military over there? If so, then basicly same mean as the eagle, cross, etc for all the countries(each basicly has there own symbol, but the idea/reason is basicly the same).
Now why do people use it? Bet 95% of the people that use it just think it looks like a cool, vintage german symbol. |
You are rigt!
That simbol of ours means:
three stars- taken from the sign of Celjski counts
three edges mountain- the highest mountain in Slovenia
two blue stripes-our biggest river and sea
I think it represent the unbeatable VW aircooled (nowadays)
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patrickm2213
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 11:03 am Post subject: |
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| Klemen Klemen wrote: |
| notchback wrote: |
| patrickm2213 wrote: |
| In the simplest way I can think to explain it is that the iron cross is to german, what the bald eagle is to the united states. |
I'm sure the original poster knows exactly what you're talking about considering he is from Slovenia. |
...meaning? |
Sorry about that over sight on my part, but this is the coat of arms of Slovenia right?
Think of it in those terms as to what the meaning is. Do they use this with the military over there? If so, then basicly same mean as the eagle, cross, etc for all the countries(each basicly has there own symbol, but the idea/reason is basicly the same).
Now why do people use it? Bet 95% of the people that use it just think it looks like a cool, vintage german symbol.
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The Iron Cross came in to outlaw fashion (i guess what we would call it) when Hells Angels started to wear them to piss people off. The reason for this is beacause when they started riding, the war had ended about 10-15 years before that so it reminded American of the Germans as well as the Nazi even though the German had been using the cross for years before hand.
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It was also a pretty good way for a teenager to piss off his father who was probably a WWII Vet |
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sickbug19
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The Iron Cross came in to outlaw fashion (i guess what we would call it) when Hells Angels started to wear them to piss people off. The reason for this is beacause when they started riding, the war had ended about 10-15 years before that so it reminded American of the Germans as well as the Nazi even though the German had been using the cross for years before hand.
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| The iron cross was also adopted by the surfer set in the '60's and thus is sometimes referred to as a "surfer cross." I've got a cool, little teak one I bought when I was eight years old. |
it has also been used by the 90's and 00 slacker set.
lots of west coast choppers type crap.
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ho-dad
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The iron cross was also adopted by the surfer set in the '60's and thus is sometimes referred to as a "surfer cross." I've got a cool, little teak one I bought when I was eight years old.
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Klemen Klemen
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| notchback wrote: |
| patrickm2213 wrote: |
| In the simplest way I can think to explain it is that the iron cross is to german, what the bald eagle is to the united states. |
I'm sure the original poster knows exactly what you're talking about considering he is from Slovenia. |
...meaning?
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notchback
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| Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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| patrickm2213 wrote: |
| In the simplest way I can think to explain it is that the iron cross is to german, what the bald eagle is to the united states. |
I'm sure the original poster knows exactly what you're talking about considering he is from Slovenia.
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patrickm2213
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In the simplest way I can think to explain it is that the iron cross is to german, what the bald eagle is to the united states.
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Klemen Klemen
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My thinking is:
- the germans were crusader in war (thats a fact)
- the aircooled VW are also german crusaders -> from war till now, a little more peaceful time
This is my conclusion and I like it! 
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Another historic account ...
The Iron Cross was originally established by King Friedrich Wilhelm III in March 1813. On 5th August 1914 Wilhelm II, Emperor of Germany and the King of Prussia, reestablished the medal. The Iron Cross was awarded without regard for nationality or social class to combatants for acts of heroism, bravery or leadership skills. During the First World War Germany awarded over five million of these medals to members of the armed forces: Grand Cross (5), First Class (288,000) and Second Class (5,200,000).
... and yes Dave ... I remember Schneider Cams,
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Not to nitpick, but stictly speaking that isn't a Maltese Cross, it's a Teutonic Cross.
Both date from the Crusades and all, but a true Maltese Cross has two distinct points on the end of each arm like this:
Since the Knights of Malta became famous for fighting off attacks where the enemy used flaming pots of burning oil they gained a reputation as firefighters, and that's why the Maltese Cross is a symbol of firemen all over the world to this very day:
Just something for you to file away in case you're ever on Jeopardy or trying to impress a fireman or something. |
Coad, you are right: I've got to get me some of that "google" stuff. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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| If Peter Lorre had one on his old Ford, would it be the Maltese Falcon? |
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EZ Gruv
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| Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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HA!! 
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coad
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Well the Iron cross has been a symbol of Germany for over 1000 years.
The only official connection to VW that I'm aware of is the use of the military symbol on some (not all) WWII Kubelwagens and Schwimmwagens and Later on VW Things used by the German Army, but that cross looked like this:
I think the whole Iron Cross thing on cars is an outgrowth of the Bikers using it back in the 50's and 60's. |
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Foxx
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| Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:50 pm Post subject: Re: Can you tell me about this cross |
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Not to nitpick, but .......
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Can you tell me why some VW have this cross painted on them? Any sugestions?
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The above pictures address properties.
http://www.zwpatch.com/images/army%20scans/german_iron_cross.JPG
OK, it doesn't say Nazi, but when was the symbol first used in conjunction with VWs?
Anybody? Anybody. Bueller? Bueller? |
does it say when the symbol first used in conjunction with Germany?
i am trying to show that the cross is older then the nazi bullshit.
(as you seem to want to point out so much)
too often someone wants to pin something on a logo or a symbol
what does it meen today?
it meens the WCC generation.
some good, some slackers.
to me it still meens germany.
meens the same to my relatives in Wuppertal Germany.
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