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BUCIOBATISTI
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 Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 10:11 am Post subject: Re: Story on Sekurit vs. Sigla Glas.... |
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So what is the story on why some buses go Sigla and others apparently got Sekurit?
Was it labor strife, or was demand for the glass outstripping supplies?
Is laminated glass still available in the correct thickness?
Is there any percentage on buses with Sekurit vs. Sigla, ie. which is more common?
Please state your source with your answer on glass history so we can try to sort fact from fiction. Thanks. |
From my experience, up until about 1956 all Buses had large logo SEKURIT glass. Then around mid 1956 they almost all started getting the Sigla glass up until about early 1963. Then they went to small logo sekurit glass. That is definitely not a bulletproof fact that is always true but it is almost always the case.
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| Interesting seems like everyone uses Sekurit when they restore I seldom see Sigla. |
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jerry.t
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my bus came with all 11 windows including the windshield, being sekurit
so if anyone out there has a SMALL LOGO NON VW LOGO SEKURIT
windshield for a bus, i realy need one thanks 
so where does delog fit in?
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 11:57 am Post subject: |
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| Delog - I've been told its u.s. replacement glass |
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So why the swith back and forth? labor problems, supply demand, or just a "style change"   |
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| I like the delamination effect. I have a Sigla stationary passenger door glass that has two really beautiful snowflakes formed on the inside center of the glass never seen anything quite like it. It looks like custom etchiing but its not... unless you credit the rays of the Sun for the effect. I'll try to get a picture on here. |
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So Delog is American glass?, The windshield glass in both my single and 21 are Delog with the VW symbol on them.
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I had a couple pairs of nos sigla front door sliding glass new in the box a while back... and they were even delaminating.
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| My 57 Kombi has Sigla glass and I always figured it was a commercial vehicle it has commercial plates... that might explain the Kombi-nation of people hauler and package hauler. |
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So several of us bus guys got together last night and we started a discussion about Sigla and Sekurit and I thought I read somewhere that all Sigla glass is laminated and Sekurit was tempered and from the 4-5 busses in attendance this seemed to be true.
Anyone have the specifics on this?
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So several of us bus guys got together last night and we started a discussion about Sigla and Sekurit and I thought I read somewhere that all Sigla glass is laminated and Sekurit was tempered and from the 4-5 busses in attendance this seemed to be true.
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This never did get resolved did it?
These have been my observations:
The large logo Sekurit sliding glass on the front doors has the latch through the window until the Sigla laminated glass came along(59 model year?). Then there is the laminated Sigla period of no hole in the slider(59-62?) until the small Sekurit and hole in the glass again. Then, Everett says that commercials got Sekurit and passenger buses got Sigla and it was all hole in glass. Somwwhere in there around 62 is Sigla with the vw logo though??
I am posing the previous statements as a question not as fact.
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i think everett has something there.
there is a 60 high hinge panel in the junkyard and the glass i took from it has the non-vw logo sekurit glass. i believe it is og to the bus as all the glass was the same. my 61 kombi has the non vw logo sigla laminated glass throughout. the 63 deluxe in the same yard had vw logo sigla. this is a confusing issue; i guess its really hard to tell if the glass is og to the bus, unless you know the complete history of that bus.
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my (8/57) 58 model year panel has all non vw large sekurit logo glass. the front sliders have holes in the glass for the handles just like my 66. (thought this was strange, well until now)
all the glass matches and I believe it to be correct. the bus never moved from 71 til this spring when I moved it home. mainly seems OG because it all matches. |
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My Sept 1 59 Mango Standard and my June 12 61 15 window both have all laminated Sigla glass and non hole sliders.
My 58 Kombi has one of each, but I believe the large logo Sekurit and hole in slider to be correct.
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my jan 58 panel VIN 318 xxx seems to have been made during a transition from one sekurit logo to another... some of the glass was one kind, and part of the front door glass was another.
I don't think it was previously replaced, I think it is original that was.
Another bus I saw with a close VIN 318xxx had the same logos combination, plus had mismatched glass of the same two logos in its ambulance divider.
AFAIK, euro spec buses had sekurit all the way around including windsheilds. This causes people familiar with euro bus glass to break laminated sigla glass when installing it.
delog windsheilds were used on us spec buses in the mid 60s I think.
The sigla logo changed between the two Jackpot, NV casino buses, Cactus Pete's 62 standard, and the 93 Club's '63 kombi. |
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| During the period after large logo Sekurit (59-63?), all commercial Buses got Sekurit while all passenger Buses had Sigla. |
In this case though, Kombis count as passenger vehicles as they have Sigla.
62(all?) and 63 passenger Buses have the VW/Sigla logo instead of just plain Sigla.
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Was the sigla glass a us and canadian market thing only?
I haver noticed many german market busses from the 59-63 era had all securit glass including the deluxes . Was there some oddball us DOT law that required the laminated glass on all windows in the late50's and early 60's? |
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