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Mr Maz Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2004 Posts: 64 Location: Saskatchewan,Canada
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 5:28 am Post subject: 1.9 vs 2.1 |
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Can a person swap a 2.1L long block into the 1.9L's place??
Would my 1.9L intake,exaust,dizzy,sensors, and so on fit on the 2.1. _________________ 1972 Squareback
1958 beetle
1975 super beetle
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Captain Pike Samba Member
Joined: December 30, 2003 Posts: 3328 Location: Talos IV, Piedmont Arizona
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 5:37 am Post subject: |
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yes to all _________________ If You Build It______It Will Run
1959 Panel bus, 1966 Single cab. 73' 181. 73 Westy. 91' H6 Vanagon 3.3L.
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weinerwagen Samba Member
Joined: May 10, 2004 Posts: 1548 Location: Monterey, CA -Laguna Seca--Coats, Kansas
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 5:56 am Post subject: |
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Si senor.... _________________ Retired attorney--Tort King. |
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wbx Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2005 Posts: 1254 Location: Monterey, CA
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 8:23 am Post subject: Re: 1.9 vs 2.1 |
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Mr Maz wrote: |
Can a person swap a 2.1L long block into the 1.9L's place??
Would my 1.9L intake,exaust,dizzy,sensors, and so on fit on the 2.1. |
Search the samba... I and others have written about the details involved (there aren't too many). And the friendly google search will turn up the classic URL:
www.oldvolkshome.com/19to21.htm
Enjoy (but there isn't anything wrong with a 1.9, btw)
-Damon _________________ '84 Westy (first owner).......but my daily driver has pedals
My "perspective" mantra:
A Volkswagen Vanagon is just a material thing,
As such, it is of the earth,
And if i need to, I can let my Van go. |
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r39o Samba Polizei
Joined: May 18, 2005 Posts: 9800 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 9:11 am Post subject: Re: 1.9 vs 2.1 |
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wbx wrote: |
Enjoy (but there isn't anything wrong with a 1.9, btw) |
Yes there is. 82 hp is too wimpy for today's traffic. I feel like my 1.9 powered automatic Westy can hardly get out of its own way, especially up hills. The 1.9 is a pathetic excuse for a "power" plant. BUT, BUT, BUT compared to a 2.1 it is more reliable. The bottom end lasts and lasts. I overheated mine, at least, twice and it runs just like it should. Damn..... _________________ "Use the SEARCH, Luke" But first visit the Vanagon FAQ!
1990 Multivan EJ 22, Rancho trans 0.82 4th, Small Car front AC, CLKs w/ 215/65-16, homemade big brakes 303mm, Konis, Recaros, etc....
Click to see my ads for Cup holders, Subaru clutch fix and CLK wheels (no wheels currently) |
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wbx Samba Member
Joined: April 11, 2005 Posts: 1254 Location: Monterey, CA
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 11:31 am Post subject: Re: 1.9 vs 2.1 |
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r39o wrote: |
Yes there is. 82 hp is too wimpy for today's traffic. I feel like my 1.9 powered automatic Westy can hardly get out of its own way, especially up hills. The 1.9 is a pathetic excuse for a "power" plant. BUT, BUT, BUT compared to a 2.1 it is more reliable. The bottom end lasts and lasts. I overheated mine, at least, twice and it runs just like it should. Damn..... |
Well, i guess it depends on where you live... in so cal (or is it lo cal?), i can imagine you are right. But mine has always lived from San Francisco north (including alaska), and while pokey, always did the job. Personally, i can't say i was ever too bothered by the 82hp. The bigger engine was more of an engineering challenge for me than anything else. If i were to do it again, i'd throw a turbo on that 1.9 and call it good.
-Damon _________________ '84 Westy (first owner).......but my daily driver has pedals
My "perspective" mantra:
A Volkswagen Vanagon is just a material thing,
As such, it is of the earth,
And if i need to, I can let my Van go. |
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klucz Samba Member
Joined: February 14, 2006 Posts: 1062 Location: Chicago, IL
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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The extra 8hp you get with a 2.1 not that huge.
r39o-your 1.9 automatic is the slowest watercooler, no? Gearing, weight?
I chased a 2.1 syncro(not camper) up a mountain in my 1.9 4spd camper. The syncro pulled away a little on the climb. I figure the added weight of the syncro didn't help, but my van was loaded with tools and camping gear. Coming down the winding single lane the syncro could hug the right turns closer.
With premium gas, good ingition, and synthetic oils the 1.9 does very well. BUT NOT AT $4/GAL. |
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weinerwagen Samba Member
Joined: May 10, 2004 Posts: 1548 Location: Monterey, CA -Laguna Seca--Coats, Kansas
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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8419p27 wrote: |
The extra 8hp you get with a 2.1 not that huge.
r39o-your 1.9 automatic is the slowest watercooler, no? Gearing, weight?
I chased a 2.1 syncro(not camper) up a mountain in my 1.9 4spd camper. The syncro pulled away a little on the climb. I figure the added weight of the syncro didn't help, but my van was loaded with tools and camping gear. Coming down the winding single lane the syncro could hug the right turns closer.
With premium gas, good ingition, and synthetic oils the 1.9 does very well. BUT NOT AT $4/GAL. |
Big W's watercooler runner is much faster than my diesel Vanagon....my air cooled automatic is not much faster....cept down hills _________________ Retired attorney--Tort King. |
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klucz Samba Member
Joined: February 14, 2006 Posts: 1062 Location: Chicago, IL
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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weinerwagon--aren't you putting a CAT motor in one of em. How much horse will that be? Gears? |
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weinerwagen Samba Member
Joined: May 10, 2004 Posts: 1548 Location: Monterey, CA -Laguna Seca--Coats, Kansas
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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8419p27 wrote: |
weinerwagon--aren't you putting a CAT motor in one of em. How much horse will that be? Gears? |
working on it, engine is installed, trans is in two pieces, waiting for the final drive to arrive....
then its PARTY TIME.....final pictures will be on PAY PER VIEW....LOL,
drive test will be
first born
sware on Reagans grave, and Nixons....
and
(thinking...of #3) _________________ Retired attorney--Tort King. |
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klucz Samba Member
Joined: February 14, 2006 Posts: 1062 Location: Chicago, IL
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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Tattoo a Vanagon on your chest |
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r39o Samba Polizei
Joined: May 18, 2005 Posts: 9800 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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Yep, I think a 1.9 wbx Westy automatic is the slowest watercooled van. Yes, siree.
The air cooled automatic Westy is even slower.
2L Air Cooled 68HP
1.9L wbx 82HP (US Digijet)
2.1L wbx 90HP (US Digifant)
So it goes.... _________________ "Use the SEARCH, Luke" But first visit the Vanagon FAQ!
1990 Multivan EJ 22, Rancho trans 0.82 4th, Small Car front AC, CLKs w/ 215/65-16, homemade big brakes 303mm, Konis, Recaros, etc....
Click to see my ads for Cup holders, Subaru clutch fix and CLK wheels (no wheels currently) |
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klucz Samba Member
Joined: February 14, 2006 Posts: 1062 Location: Chicago, IL
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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diesel 4spd man 4th gear 0.85, transaxle 5.43 or 5.86
aircooled 3spd automatic 3rd gear 1.00, transaxle 4.09
aircooled 4spd man 4th 0.852, trans 4.57
watercooled 3spd auto 3rd 1.00, trans 3.74(1.9) 4.09(2.1)
watercooled 4spd man 4th 0.85, trans 4.57/4.86/4.83
Torque converter on automatic is good for climbing but has lower shift points and lower top end speed. Should be driven in 2nd up to 55mph. Don't know how true it is.
I know the 4spd on the other hand is always between gears when climbing but can help slow the vehicle down when descending, can reach 90-95mph on the flats. |
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r39o Samba Polizei
Joined: May 18, 2005 Posts: 9800 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 10:33 am Post subject: |
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My auto seems to be fine. BUT, it is in top gear by 25 or 30 always. It does down shift on some steep hills. But, what the heck. If I want speed I take my 82 Caddy GTI or my 2L 79 hot rod GTI - Woo Hoo! But, we just rebuilt my 98 NB TDi with new bigger nozzles, new head, rebuilt turbo, etc....so maybe that will be fun again... _________________ "Use the SEARCH, Luke" But first visit the Vanagon FAQ!
1990 Multivan EJ 22, Rancho trans 0.82 4th, Small Car front AC, CLKs w/ 215/65-16, homemade big brakes 303mm, Konis, Recaros, etc....
Click to see my ads for Cup holders, Subaru clutch fix and CLK wheels (no wheels currently) |
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weinerwagen Samba Member
Joined: May 10, 2004 Posts: 1548 Location: Monterey, CA -Laguna Seca--Coats, Kansas
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Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 10:43 am Post subject: |
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I got a pair of in line skates that goes up hill faster than my stock diesel
the 411 was really bi anyway, that's why they called it a Variant....LOL! _________________ Retired attorney--Tort King. |
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klucz Samba Member
Joined: February 14, 2006 Posts: 1062 Location: Chicago, IL
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Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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Theres the point where the vanagon stops accelerating going uphill altogether. |
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weinerwagen Samba Member
Joined: May 10, 2004 Posts: 1548 Location: Monterey, CA -Laguna Seca--Coats, Kansas
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Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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8419p27 wrote: |
Theres the point where the vanagon stops accelerating going uphill altogether. |
usually once the fuel pump quits, or the key gets turned off, or the size 13 Nike's get removed from the pedal....
_________________ Retired attorney--Tort King. |
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r39o Samba Polizei
Joined: May 18, 2005 Posts: 9800 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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8419p27 wrote: |
Theres the point where the vanagon stops accelerating going uphill altogether. |
Sometimes they get slower and slower and, eventully, you are just crawling up the hill..... _________________ "Use the SEARCH, Luke" But first visit the Vanagon FAQ!
1990 Multivan EJ 22, Rancho trans 0.82 4th, Small Car front AC, CLKs w/ 215/65-16, homemade big brakes 303mm, Konis, Recaros, etc....
Click to see my ads for Cup holders, Subaru clutch fix and CLK wheels (no wheels currently) |
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klucz Samba Member
Joined: February 14, 2006 Posts: 1062 Location: Chicago, IL
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