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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Finger is for 25hp. You want the pulley tin with no finger.

This is 25hp tin.

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I believe this is incorrect. My July 5th, 1954 beetle has the finger style rear tin and matching crank tin. I've owned the car for 43 years.


What's the engine number? I assume this engine came from a bus, because it has a dizzy without vacuum support. The pulley is too new, so maybe they just swapped the pulley nut when the pulley was replaced too?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 7:49 am    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

Aside from the coil, crank pulley and intake manifold, everything else looks correct for a 1954 to mid-1955 bus engine.

The generator brush cover and the oil breather/clamp have been removed.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:23 am    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

I agree...that tin pictured is a 25hp tin (with the crank flap). There is a 54/55 36hp tin with the finger, and no crank start flap.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:44 am    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

motofly196 wrote:
I agree...that tin pictured is a 25hp tin (with the crank flap). There is a 54/55 36hp tin with the finger, and no crank start flap.


Totally correct for an early 1954 bus engine imo
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:48 am    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

True...but since this is the Oval forum, I wasn't even thinking about it being correct for a Bus. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

3foldfolly wrote:
nlorntson wrote:
Finger is for 25hp. You want the pulley tin with no finger.

This is 25hp tin.

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I believe this is incorrect. My July 5th, 1954 beetle has the finger style rear tin and matching crank tin. I've owned the car for 43 years.


Yes, the finger was used until sometime in 1955.

My 1/55 Bus had the finger tin

The above engine is a Bus engine and looks generally all original
Here's the original full Gallery photo, it's title "1955 Bus engine"
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The generator brush cover and the oil breather/clamp have been removed.

There is no brush cover on a thin-slot generator
The oil breather holder is there but sort of hard to see
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think he was using the pic as reference regarding the finger tin. This is my motor and has been discussed a few pages back 22/23/34 with the bits on it. It’s a June motor with May bolt on parts.

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3foldfolly wrote:
nlorntson wrote:
Finger is for 25hp. You want the pulley tin with no finger.

This is 25hp tin.

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I believe this is incorrect. My July 5th, 1954 beetle has the finger style rear tin and matching crank tin. I've owned the car for 43 years.


Yes, the finger was used until sometime in 1955.

My 1/55 Bus had the finger tin

The above engine is a Bus engine and looks generally all original
Here's the original full Gallery photo, it's title "1955 Bus engine"
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=1244070

janerick3 wrote:
The generator brush cover and the oil breather/clamp have been removed.

There is no brush cover on a thin-slot generator
The oil breather holder is there but sort of hard to see

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 12:34 pm    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

Actually... I believe that is a early 55 finger tin. Not even a 54’. There is provisions for only 2 sheet metal screws on the finger side and not three. Three screws are in 54’.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 12:40 pm    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

Here is my manifold I finished. Eventually I make a post about the entire engine. I know where the original engine is to my truck but it wasn’t for sale so I had to source every single nut, bolt, washer and component for a 54’ engine. It was no fun and took about 10 years.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 3:10 pm    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

REALLY nice job on the manifold! I was getting a little worried for you as I saw the progression of metal cut out though. Using Silicon Bronze was a good idea to keep warpage to a minimum. Turned out awesome!
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 3:16 pm    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

motofly196 wrote:
REALLY nice job on the manifold! I was getting a little worried for you as I saw the progression of metal cut out though. Using Silicon Bronze was a good idea to keep warpage to a minimum. Turned out awesome!


What he said!!!!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:07 pm    Post subject: Fan housing tabs Reply with quote

Hello experts. I am noticing some differences in the wiring tabs on the 36 horse fan housing. Seems like some have one tab, two, but I do not think there are 3.

#1 tab on the right is I think there in all cases. Located 1-2" below the elevation of the upper right fan mounting screw.
#2 I have seen some there. This example does not have it. Makes sens to be there for ignition and oil wire.
#3 tab what wire is that for? Seems to far to use it for the oil pressure switch. Is it for the bus?

Does anyone know the transition years for where these tabs are? I am shooting for a housing for 2nd quarter of 1955. These are all banana pressed examples so I presume post 25HP instances.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:35 pm    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

I have noticed the same tab location differences on fan shrouds (if they haven't been torn off). 1st place I look to identify an early shroud...I look for an early style nut inside the shroud where it screws to the head tin.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:21 pm    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:10 pm    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

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Uterus intake manifold? That left side "high" heat riser leg looks it....
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:16 pm    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

Factory option dual generator something or other...

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:07 pm    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

gatorwyatt wrote:
Actually... I believe that is a early 55 finger tin. Not even a 54’. There is provisions for only 2 sheet metal screws on the finger side and not three. Three screws are in 54’.


Here’s some pics of the tin that Todd is referring to. I believe these were used from around October 54 to early 55? Guess they were introduced when they changed from 3 to 2 bolts per shoe box.


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2020 11:31 am    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

This is one not covered here. This is an 8/54 20- case and I found the lugs on the case to be wider requiring a longer threaded stud for the thermostat.

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2020 11:43 am    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

I worked pretty hard and spent about 10 years acquiring all of the parts to build this engine. All down to the hardware each piece was sourced all of over the world. Original engine was not for sale by the man that owns it. So I had to make other arrangements.

Long block built by Joe Ruiz. This is for. 54’ RHD truck that I am
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This is an interesting tin. It has to be a month or two production only where VW added a flap to the pulley tin when they removed the finger sometime
Later 54’ or very early 55’
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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2020 5:09 pm    Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! Reply with quote

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Out of curiosity, what’s the underside of the oil bath look like?
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