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56samba Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2015 Posts: 262 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:45 am Post subject: |
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3foldfolly wrote: |
nlorntson wrote: |
Finger is for 25hp. You want the pulley tin with no finger.
This is 25hp tin.
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I believe this is incorrect. My July 5th, 1954 beetle has the finger style rear tin and matching crank tin. I've owned the car for 43 years. |
What's the engine number? I assume this engine came from a bus, because it has a dizzy without vacuum support. The pulley is too new, so maybe they just swapped the pulley nut when the pulley was replaced too? |
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janerick3 Samba Member
Joined: June 04, 2006 Posts: 1879 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 7:49 am Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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Aside from the coil, crank pulley and intake manifold, everything else looks correct for a 1954 to mid-1955 bus engine.
The generator brush cover and the oil breather/clamp have been removed. _________________ Thanks,
Jan K. |
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motofly196 Samba Member
Joined: June 01, 2008 Posts: 1467 Location: Eastern WA
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:23 am Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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I agree...that tin pictured is a 25hp tin (with the crank flap). There is a 54/55 36hp tin with the finger, and no crank start flap. |
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56samba Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2015 Posts: 262 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:44 am Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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motofly196 wrote: |
I agree...that tin pictured is a 25hp tin (with the crank flap). There is a 54/55 36hp tin with the finger, and no crank start flap. |
Totally correct for an early 1954 bus engine imo |
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motofly196 Samba Member
Joined: June 01, 2008 Posts: 1467 Location: Eastern WA
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:48 am Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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True...but since this is the Oval forum, I wasn't even thinking about it being correct for a Bus. |
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69823 Location: Phoenix Metro
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:52 am Post subject: |
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3foldfolly wrote: |
nlorntson wrote: |
Finger is for 25hp. You want the pulley tin with no finger.
This is 25hp tin.
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I believe this is incorrect. My July 5th, 1954 beetle has the finger style rear tin and matching crank tin. I've owned the car for 43 years. |
Yes, the finger was used until sometime in 1955.
My 1/55 Bus had the finger tin
The above engine is a Bus engine and looks generally all original
Here's the original full Gallery photo, it's title "1955 Bus engine"
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=1244070
janerick3 wrote: |
The generator brush cover and the oil breather/clamp have been removed. |
There is no brush cover on a thin-slot generator
The oil breather holder is there but sort of hard to see _________________ How to Post Photos
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D-train Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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I think he was using the pic as reference regarding the finger tin. This is my motor and has been discussed a few pages back 22/23/34 with the bits on it. It’s a June motor with May bolt on parts.
EverettB wrote: |
3foldfolly wrote: |
nlorntson wrote: |
Finger is for 25hp. You want the pulley tin with no finger.
This is 25hp tin.
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I believe this is incorrect. My July 5th, 1954 beetle has the finger style rear tin and matching crank tin. I've owned the car for 43 years. |
Yes, the finger was used until sometime in 1955.
My 1/55 Bus had the finger tin
The above engine is a Bus engine and looks generally all original
Here's the original full Gallery photo, it's title "1955 Bus engine"
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=1244070
janerick3 wrote: |
The generator brush cover and the oil breather/clamp have been removed. |
There is no brush cover on a thin-slot generator
The oil breather holder is there but sort of hard to see |
_________________ shiny paint doesnt make it worth any more |
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gatorwyatt Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2002 Posts: 1867 Location: Clearwater Fl.
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Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 12:34 pm Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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Actually... I believe that is a early 55 finger tin. Not even a 54’. There is provisions for only 2 sheet metal screws on the finger side and not three. Three screws are in 54’. _________________ www.blastserv.com
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gatorwyatt Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2002 Posts: 1867 Location: Clearwater Fl.
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Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 12:40 pm Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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Here is my manifold I finished. Eventually I make a post about the entire engine. I know where the original engine is to my truck but it wasn’t for sale so I had to source every single nut, bolt, washer and component for a 54’ engine. It was no fun and took about 10 years.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=729562 _________________ www.blastserv.com
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motofly196 Samba Member
Joined: June 01, 2008 Posts: 1467 Location: Eastern WA
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Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 3:10 pm Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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REALLY nice job on the manifold! I was getting a little worried for you as I saw the progression of metal cut out though. Using Silicon Bronze was a good idea to keep warpage to a minimum. Turned out awesome! |
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D-train Samba Member
Joined: January 08, 2007 Posts: 1455
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Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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motofly196 wrote: |
REALLY nice job on the manifold! I was getting a little worried for you as I saw the progression of metal cut out though. Using Silicon Bronze was a good idea to keep warpage to a minimum. Turned out awesome! |
What he said!!!! _________________ shiny paint doesnt make it worth any more |
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Dan22 Samba Member
Joined: August 30, 2019 Posts: 470 Location: Battle Ground, WA
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Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:07 pm Post subject: Fan housing tabs |
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Hello experts. I am noticing some differences in the wiring tabs on the 36 horse fan housing. Seems like some have one tab, two, but I do not think there are 3.
#1 tab on the right is I think there in all cases. Located 1-2" below the elevation of the upper right fan mounting screw.
#2 I have seen some there. This example does not have it. Makes sens to be there for ignition and oil wire.
#3 tab what wire is that for? Seems to far to use it for the oil pressure switch. Is it for the bus?
Does anyone know the transition years for where these tabs are? I am shooting for a housing for 2nd quarter of 1955. These are all banana pressed examples so I presume post 25HP instances.
Example picture borrowed from the classified. |
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motofly196 Samba Member
Joined: June 01, 2008 Posts: 1467 Location: Eastern WA
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Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:35 pm Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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I have noticed the same tab location differences on fan shrouds (if they haven't been torn off). 1st place I look to identify an early shroud...I look for an early style nut inside the shroud where it screws to the head tin. |
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RockStock Samba Member
Joined: November 26, 2004 Posts: 3929 Location: England
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Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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_________________ -StockRocks- |
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johnshenry Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9364 Location: Northwood, NH USA
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Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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Uterus intake manifold? That left side "high" heat riser leg looks it.... _________________ John Henry
'57 Deluxe
'56 Single Cab |
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RockStock Samba Member
Joined: November 26, 2004 Posts: 3929 Location: England
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Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:16 pm Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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Factory option dual generator something or other...
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56samba Samba Member
Joined: June 25, 2015 Posts: 262 Location: Germany
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:07 pm Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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gatorwyatt wrote: |
Actually... I believe that is a early 55 finger tin. Not even a 54’. There is provisions for only 2 sheet metal screws on the finger side and not three. Three screws are in 54’. |
Here’s some pics of the tin that Todd is referring to. I believe these were used from around October 54 to early 55? Guess they were introduced when they changed from 3 to 2 bolts per shoe box.
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gatorwyatt Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2002 Posts: 1867 Location: Clearwater Fl.
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Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 11:31 am Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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This is one not covered here. This is an 8/54 20- case and I found the lugs on the case to be wider requiring a longer threaded stud for the thermostat.
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gatorwyatt Samba Member
Joined: April 24, 2002 Posts: 1867 Location: Clearwater Fl.
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Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 11:43 am Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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I worked pretty hard and spent about 10 years acquiring all of the parts to build this engine. All down to the hardware each piece was sourced all of over the world. Original engine was not for sale by the man that owns it. So I had to make other arrangements.
Long block built by Joe Ruiz. This is for. 54’ RHD truck that I am
building.
This is an interesting tin. It has to be a month or two production only where VW added a flap to the pulley tin when they removed the finger sometime
Later 54’ or very early 55’
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D-train Samba Member
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Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: 1954 & 1955 engines whats not correct! |
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Out of curiosity, what’s the underside of the oil bath look like? _________________ shiny paint doesnt make it worth any more |
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