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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:54 am    Post subject: 2$ for safety Reply with quote

Got a look at the clear hoses that run from the water tank to the pump and then to the facet, Canadian Westy, Americans have the pump inside the tank. Anyways, the hoses were discoloured, looked disgusting inside. Replaced them with new clear lines, cost of the hose was 27 cents a foot, took about 6 feet. 30 minute job. Now I can drink the water and not worry about that 20year old growth inside the lines. Tank was cleaned with a mix of water and bleach but was already clean.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good advice. And thanks for the reminder. I've kinda neglected this little bit. I know I get easily disgusted when the hose on my Camelbak starts getting crud in it and that only takes months. I think I'll replace the hose in my Westy this weekend.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

More than you wanted to know: I wouldn't drink anything stored in a 20-year-old plastic tank, anyhow. Plastic = cancer. We cancelled our "Spring" water delivery after we found that the plastic containers they RE-used were absolutely the worst plastic possible, #7. Only #2 and #5 are approved for drinking water, and even these leach into the water if subjected to heat or even short bursts of direct sunlight. I now carry gallon glass jugs for drinking water, as any water in a camper will heat up (except during winter).
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:53 am    Post subject: new lines Reply with quote

Do you have to remove the fridge to change the water lines or can it be done without. I have an 87 westy
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No need to pull the fridge. Just tape the new hose to the old one and pull it through. As you remove the old, you install the new. There is just one clamp holding the hose in place, it is in the small cubby low by the power outlet.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:52 am    Post subject: Re: 2$ for safety Reply with quote

Wellington wrote:
Got a look at the clear hoses that run from the water tank to the pump and then to the facet, Canadian Westy, Americans have the pump inside the tank. Anyways, the hoses were discoloured, looked disgusting inside. Replaced them with new clear lines, cost of the hose was 27 cents a foot, took about 6 feet. 30 minute job. Now I can drink the water and not worry about that 20year old growth inside the lines. Tank was cleaned with a mix of water and bleach but was already clean.


That crude and nastyness that you saw inside the tubes is also inside of everyone's house water lines. Even newer houses with copper water lines get mucky although not as bad as iron water pipes which is the norm here in San Francisco Bay Area. EWW

I'm a big fan of FILTRATION SYSTEMS......THE GOOD KIND....Not the Brita crap.....
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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More than you wanted to know: I wouldn't drink anything stored in a 20-year-old plastic tank, anyhow. Plastic = cancer. We cancelled our "Spring" water delivery after we found that the plastic containers they RE-used were absolutely the worst plastic possible, #7. Only #2 and #5 are approved for drinking water, and even these leach into the water if subjected to heat or even short bursts of direct sunlight. I now carry gallon glass jugs for drinking water, as any water in a camper will heat up (except during winter).


Most homes in the U.S. receive their water from a supply pipe in the street. Newer home developments and retrofited water supply lines are........PLASTIC.......MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM PLASTIC

I've been to people's houses here in San Francisco/Oakland where they proudly say they've upgraded their old iron pipes to copper and that they are good to go. Then I tell them about the cancer causing plastic pipes in the street and their little faces go ...... DOwn.....DOWN.....DOWN
We are ALL going to die horrible deaths...... Shocked

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aren't the water lines secured to the inside frame of the body? I read that somewhere... I've been wanting to replace my lines FOREVER, but was waiting to do it when I pulled the galley cabinet out to replace my carpeting. 'Always try before you pry', eh?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing that I do after every trip is : drain water, run a bleach/water mix through line, blow entire line clear. I have my pump in the tank so I can pull the line off the pump and then have a clear shot to the faucet. At least running the mix through and leaving it in the line should help with crud build-up.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

speaking of safety .... I had a gas leak. It was the rubber hose that connects the hard plastic to the metal line in the rear. The previous po used american hose. That stuff never fits right. I think its size 7
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I use the sink only for washing hands and dishes. Drinking water is stored in a 2 gallon jug and is replaced daily.

The longer water is stored in plastic the more Bad Stuff can leach into it. Changing water out of the onboard storage tank is a good idea after every trip, if you want it for drinking.
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gears wrote:
More than you wanted to know: I wouldn't drink anything stored in a 20-year-old plastic tank, anyhow. Plastic = cancer. We cancelled our "Spring" water delivery after we found that the plastic containers they RE-used were absolutely the worst plastic possible, #7. Only #2 and #5 are approved for drinking water, and even these leach into the water if subjected to heat or even short bursts of direct sunlight. I now carry gallon glass jugs for drinking water, as any water in a camper will heat up (except during winter).

We use the water ONLY to wash hands, dishes, and dirty little faces. We never leave the water in longer than our trip. It gets dumped onto the flowers when we get home. I rinse it out from time to time too and leave it open to vent when the van is parked.

Those tanks can ge NASTY. Ditto the hoses, of course. Homie Despot has lots of plastic hose....
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 10:48 am    Post subject: Re: 2$ for safety Reply with quote

ChesterKV wrote:
I'm a big fan of FILTRATION SYSTEMS......THE GOOD KIND....Not the Brita crap.....

What's the "GOOD" kind?
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gears wrote:
More than you wanted to know: I wouldn't drink anything stored in a 20-year-old plastic tank, anyhow. Plastic = cancer. We cancelled our "Spring" water delivery after we found that the plastic containers they RE-used were absolutely the worst plastic possible, #7. Only #2 and #5 are approved for drinking water, and even these leach into the water if subjected to heat or even short bursts of direct sunlight. I now carry gallon glass jugs for drinking water, as any water in a camper will heat up (except during winter).


There is both information and mis-information in the above post. Plastics DO contain plasticizers which can leach out into water or other liquids. BUT:
[1] cold water will reduce that (while hot water will increase leaching).
[2] not all plastics contain plasticizers that are suspected to be problems
[3] cancer is not the real issue here -- instead, it is pthalates, which can disrupt the endocrine system
[4] water stored a short time in plastic will undergo very little leaching
[5] OLD plastic will always have less plasticizer, hence less leaching into water.

I would be more worried about eating cheese that is wrapped in plastic (water is polar; oils in cheese are non-polar).
[5] the OLDER the plastic the less the potential problem

I agree that glass is likely much safer - or will have a greater margin of safety. A ceramic coating will be similar and is used in Europe.

Overall:
You are more likely to be poisoned by an infested water supply at some campground than from your Westy's water tank.
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For a short time, plastic was used to deliver water. That has been outlawed in most areas. Any plastic lines you see being installed now are waste water lines, or recycled water for irrigation only, not fit for consumption anyway.

Plastic water bottles are a concern. How much I don't really know. there's a documentary soon to be released called "Tapped" about this issue. I saw it on Youtube.
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After doing a crap load of work to save Tiki, I have never reattached the hoses, etc. to hold water, wash dishes, have a glass of water. I think it is kinda lonely sitting there in there in its space.
Some need this supply of water. The Westfalia is unique in this of most basic supply and to be able to access quickly. Yes, age does apply and the aged holding tanks leaves much to the shagrin of neglect, but is there. The tank was thought out. To that I tip my hat to the VW engineers. Might taste like Sh*t, but is water. Do you want to have a case of Beaver Fever or worse?

But I say this with a grain of Salt. I live in a place where water abounds. Grew up in VT and you do not want a case of Beaver Fever. Snicker all you want, ain't worth it.

What more fun to think outside the box. What just do you do in a VW camper in the UK? Canal hop? What do do you in _______ ( pick the country). How much fun to go and you've got water? Sweet.

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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Replace the flex lines with PEX. Any home center will do.
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

randywebb wrote:

Overall:
You are more likely to be poisoned by an infested water supply at some campground than from your Westy's water tank.


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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bill W wrote:
Replace the flex lines with PEX. Any home center will do.

just had it installed in my house. great stuff! no more crappy copper lines that leak.
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hell, my home has LEAD pipe coming from the street.I kid you not. Top THAT you plastic people! Laughing
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