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vdubyah73 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:27 am Post subject: Atv jack vs floor jack? FAQ |
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I've always used a floor jack,until I got this particular Bus. I found an ATV jack at the dump in perfect working order and tried it when I put the engine back in. Type IV 2.0, dual Webers. I didn't think much of it. You can't wiggle the engine as well to get it to slide home on reinstallation. Is it just me or does anybody else prefer the precarious balancing act on a regular floor jack for installation? Maybe I just wasn't holding my tongue right!
Bill _________________ burning down the house
73 bounty hunter, sold.
'77 transporter, junked had crotch rot.
Dubless, but have a CPR built stroker waiting for a new to me Beetle
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VDubTech Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:16 am Post subject: |
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I've always used a floor jack, so I really can't compare the two, but I've never seen the need to purchase yet another jack to do a job alreadfy easily done with a simple floor jack. Anyone who has seen the inner workings of my mess of a garage knows that I couldn't POSSIBLY fit one more piece of equipment in there. |
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BIGTSV Samba Member
Joined: August 03, 2005 Posts: 593 Location: Columbus Ohio
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:18 am Post subject: |
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Used an ATV jack last night for the 1st time, worked very well for me. I like the ATV jack better than a normal jack. I would use either one! _________________ 1989 VW White Star
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pyrOman Fire Master
Joined: July 21, 2003 Posts: 12408 Location: Over 2002 posts deleted!
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:23 am Post subject: |
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I also recently got me an ATV jack. Though I haven't had the chance to use it just yet, I know it will be way much better to lay the engine on without the need to be balancing it on a regular floor jack's tiny round platform.
And at $50 out the door you just can't go wrong even if it is to serve only the one purpose! _________________ Some people are so busy being clever they don't have time enough to be wise. |
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vdubyah73 Samba Member
Joined: July 05, 2003 Posts: 2541 Location: somewhere in Texas, my house has wheels
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:35 am Post subject: |
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Maybe an ATV jack would be nice for removal,No balancing, just pull and lower whilst watching for clearances. But VDub Tech's garage sound like mine. Think I'm gonna loose the ATV jack. Anybody live near Cape Cod Ma. You pick it up it's yours. Didn't cost me anything.
Bill _________________ burning down the house
73 bounty hunter, sold.
'77 transporter, junked had crotch rot.
Dubless, but have a CPR built stroker waiting for a new to me Beetle
'93 Fleetwood Bounder 34' |
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pyrOman Fire Master
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:53 am Post subject: |
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BTW, I also bought a tranny jack solely to swap the trannies of my Benzos. Used it the once and was just taking space. However, when I removed the leaky-ass 1835 from the Dormy I used it for the motor and though it worked great as a platform but this is a scissors type and "cranking" that mother up is quite the bitch!
I plan on using the tranny jack just to hold the "hanging" tranny on the Plump Truck and the ATV jack for the engine! _________________ Some people are so busy being clever they don't have time enough to be wise. |
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pyrOman Fire Master
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:55 am Post subject: |
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VDubTech wrote: |
I've always used a floor jack, so I really can't compare the two, but I've never seen the need to purchase yet another jack to do a job alreadfy easily done with a simple floor jack. Anyone who has seen the inner workings of my mess of a garage knows that I couldn't POSSIBLY fit one more piece of equipment in there. |
Obviously you are in need of a BIGGER garage.
You can NEVER have "just enough tools"!
_________________ Some people are so busy being clever they don't have time enough to be wise. |
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nemobuscaptain Samba Member
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VDubTech Samba Member
Joined: December 29, 2002 Posts: 9142 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 8:17 am Post subject: |
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pyrOman wrote: |
VDubTech wrote: |
I've always used a floor jack, so I really can't compare the two, but I've never seen the need to purchase yet another jack to do a job alreadfy easily done with a simple floor jack. Anyone who has seen the inner workings of my mess of a garage knows that I couldn't POSSIBLY fit one more piece of equipment in there. |
Obviously you are in need of a BIGGER garage.
You can NEVER have "just enough tools"!
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If my garage were any bigger, it would be in my neighbor's yard....and beleive me, I have MORE than enough tools. The floor jack method has worked just fine for me thus far....even when pulling an engine in the snow, it has never failed me. |
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mightyart Samba Member
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pyrOman Fire Master
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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WTH???
Anyone ever seen one in any vw tooling manual? _________________ Some people are so busy being clever they don't have time enough to be wise. |
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mightyart Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know but it looks like you can drive it to where you need to pull the engine, that is a steering wheel... isn't it? |
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ratwell Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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pyrOman wrote: |
Anyone ever seen one in any vw tooling manual? |
It's not from VW AFIAK. I saw a photo of another one and whileinventive having the controls/handles so low to the ground would be a drawback if you ask me.
Might come in handy if you had to install 10 engines a day, every day. _________________ '78 Westfalia CDN
'76 Doublecab
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pyrOman Fire Master
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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A factory installation aid? _________________ Some people are so busy being clever they don't have time enough to be wise. |
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MarkTime Samba Member
Joined: August 05, 2005 Posts: 94 Location: Austin, Texas
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:20 pm Post subject: Re: Atv jack vs floor jack? |
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vdubyah73 wrote: |
I've always used a floor jack,until I got this particular Bus. I found an ATV jack at the dump in perfect working order and tried it when I put the engine back in. Type IV 2.0, dual Webers. I didn't think much of it. You can't wiggle the engine as well to get it to slide home on reinstallation. Is it just me or does anybody else prefer the precarious balancing act on a regular floor jack for installation? Maybe I just wasn't holding my tongue right!
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I installed my engine with a transmission jack bought at harbor freight. It works the best, totally adjustable, stable, and easy to maneuver. _________________ http://www.AdBirds.com
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VDubTech Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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pyrOman wrote: |
WTH???
Anyone ever seen one in any vw tooling manual? |
Yeah, I got one from the VW dealership I used to work at when they decided to clear out the tool room. I sold it on ebay after it sat in my garage for 2 years unused. The "steering wheel" is the mechanism that raises and lowers the jack. Cool tool, I talked with a guy who used to use it at the dealership when they still did air cooled work. I got several adapters with it for the different engines. I know years down the line I will curse ever selling it..... |
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VDubTech Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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If it's near you Art, pick it up, I sold mine for a LOT more on ebay last year. |
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tds3pete Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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I use a lift table purchased at the local auto supply store for $120.
The nice thing is there is lots of room to shift the engine around during installation. I also leave the engine on the table at full height for teardown and final assembly.
I means jacking the van up higher, but it is a lot easier and safer to use.[/img] _________________ '58 Westy camper-come and gone
'73 Westy-bought new in Holland,now gone
'86 Syncro weekender-come and gone
'79 Westy...Oscar
'95 Eurovan Camper/5 spd...Marsha Mellow |
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SlowLane Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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Last time I installed my engine, my brother and I used an old skateboard to roll the engine under the van from the side (less jacking of the van that way), and then used his rigging experience to fashion a rope sling under the engine.
We lifted it in stages by levering the 2x4 that the sling is suspended from and inserting blocks of wood front and rear until the engine was at the desired height.
This was by far the easiest engine install I've ever had. I used to fiddle around with a floor jack and wood blocks underneath the heads. This time around, I was very careful to not support the engine by the heads, having recently formed the opinion that this is a bad thing to do to a boxer engine. _________________ Present:
'81 Westfalia: 2L, manual. Originally Canadian, now Californiated
Back in the day:
'72 Super Beetle
'69 Camper Van - Corvair powered
'71 Window Van - Transferred Corvair from '69
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vdubyah73 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 4:44 am Post subject: |
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Can anybody say Rube goldberg device! I like the ingenuity of VW people.
Bill _________________ burning down the house
73 bounty hunter, sold.
'77 transporter, junked had crotch rot.
Dubless, but have a CPR built stroker waiting for a new to me Beetle
'93 Fleetwood Bounder 34'
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