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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:09 pm    Post subject: Re: School me on the 1967 one year only stuff Reply with quote

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What i am thinking is to get (if i find a good one) 66 shell, change the deck lid, rear appron, and doors. My 67 car has the previous look fenders, so are same with a 66. I believe all the other things are the same.
Maybe i got more lucky like this.


Looking at your gallery photos, you have a '67 Deluxe. The front fenders are not correct for the Deluxe. At some point they were changed to the old style. Your steering wheel, dash trim, thin trim on the hood, thin side body trim molding, rear quarter window trim all denote Deluxe.

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In the same way that the 1967 VW Canadian Custom model that is unique to the Canadian market, there is a “1300 Deluxe” that is unique to Australia and they were built in the Australian plant. Interestingly, it still has the same doors, door handles, and door locks from ’66 and the same engine decklid and apron from ’66 (unlike all the Type 1 cars built in Germany got the updated style.) It has the fatter ’66 and older style trim on the body and hood. The wheels and hub caps are the old style, as well. It has the old style front fenders and is 6v. The decklid insignia is “1300” and underneath in script is “Deluxe.” It’s also right-hand drive. The US market dealerships got Type 1 Deluxes only, which had 12v electrics, updated front fenders, but still retained drum brakes up front. Of course, you could opt for hard top sedan, sunroof, or convertible, but only in the Deluxe guise.

After our behind the scenes chats and some more investigation on my part, I'm incorrect. You DON'T have a '67 Deluxe with swapped fenders. I believe yours is a typical 1967 Type 1 “1300” for the European market based on the trim moldings, air cleaner, and what I suspect is 6v electrics, or at least were originally. I bet your car has front disc brakes, too. That would fit squarely with the European Type 1. The old style front fenders are proper for that car and also the European 1200 and 1500. If it were a 1200, I don’t believe there would be any trim molding on the car, as that is the most basic model. A 1500cc engine has two air intake “shorkels.” Thus, the tin would require a hole on each side to accommodate the preheat tubes to the snorkels.

When you decide what you are going to do with it (or another one), start a new thread do show your progress. Your idea to build a "barn" and use it as a workshop is great. We love progress pics!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:10 am    Post subject: Re: School me on the 1967 one year only stuff Reply with quote

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What i am thinking is to get (if i find a good one) 66 shell, change the deck lid, rear appron, and doors. My 67 car has the previous look fenders, so are same with a 66. I believe all the other things are the same.
Maybe i got more lucky like this.


Nikos,
'66 doors have completely different latches and don't think they can easily be converted.
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'66 doors do not have a hole for the inside lock button either.
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'66 doors will also have larger holes for the side trim.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:00 am    Post subject: Re: School me on the 1967 one year only stuff Reply with quote

What i am thinking is to get (if i find a good one) 66 shell, change the deck lid, rear appron, and doors. My 67 car has the previous look fenders, so are same with a 66. I believe all the other things are the same.
Maybe i got more lucky like this.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:56 pm    Post subject: Re: School me on the 1967 one year only stuff Reply with quote

These may help. Read through them to assess differences in the model and also in different markets. They are all 1967s.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/lit/67bug_1200.php

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/lit/67_new1300s_australian.php

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/lit/67_new1500.php


You will note that although the front fenders vary between the '66 style and the "new" '67 style without the glass dome, the updated decklid and rear apron were used across all the '67 Type 1 models. Therefore, the decklid from a '66 will not fit the '67 unless you also change the rear apron to the earlier style, too.

Now, having said all that and posted those reference links, a car that is this old could have had wrong parts put on it at some point for the sake of cost, convenience, or personal preference in the past. Unless you have a documented history of the car it's hard to know exactly. But you have plenty of reference info now to see what body components were offered in the various '67 T1 models. Hope that helps Cool
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:26 pm    Post subject: Re: School me on the 1967 one year only stuff Reply with quote

Leoniums wrote:
Thanks again for the info and the for the atached links.
I hope you wont get mad... but i have to ask you...
Can a 66 shell with spesific shett metal replacemtns be same with a 67 model?
I have to ask cause the project car i own, is full of suprises, many accidents and a lot of rust, so i am not sure if i should continue or not. So i am also looking for alternatives, especially since i can find 66 shells in a good shape.
I am not sure though about my question and if its "right" to do something like that.


Major body changes in '67 included the rear apron and decklid. Other changes were more subtle and substitutions could probably be made.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:28 pm    Post subject: Re: School me on the 1967 one year only stuff Reply with quote

Thanks again for the info and the for the atached links.
I hope you wont get mad... but i have to ask you...
Can a 66 shell with spesific shett metal replacemtns be same with a 67 model?
I have to ask cause the project car i own, is full of suprises, many accidents and a lot of rust, so i am not sure if i should continue or not. So i am also looking for alternatives, especially since i can find 66 shells in a good shape.
I am not sure though about my question and if its "right" to do something like that.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:51 am    Post subject: Re: School me on the 1967 one year only stuff Reply with quote

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Are there any 67models, which have been manufactured late 66 and are 6v?
Cause i also found a car like this


They were also manufactured in '67 with 6v. But not for the US market. As was already noted at the end of the last page, a number of plants manufactured VWs and there were notable differences. Deluxes, standards and customs. Non-US markets had varied requirements and different selections of models and equipment.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:33 am    Post subject: Re: School me on the 1967 one year only stuff Reply with quote

Are there any 67models, which have been manufactured late 66 and are 6v?
Cause i also found a car like this
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:47 am    Post subject: Re: School me on the 1967 one year only stuff Reply with quote

Hi Nikos,

From reading through your posts it seems as if a lot of your interchange questions have already been answered regarding fenders, aprons and such.

Also looking at your project car it appears like most everything is there. Many people will tell you it's often better to restore and reuse the original German fenders than using reproduction parts.

As far as one single list I don't think there is one but if you can learn to decipher the parts catalog it will tell you which parts will fit different VIN ranges.
http://oacdp.org/type1part.html

Sorry I don't know the best place to buy sheet metal parts. In EU I'd think either CSP or BBT would be a good place to start shopping.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:44 am    Post subject: Re: School me on the 1967 one year only stuff Reply with quote

Thanks for your replies.
Here is my car https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=745780
I have started taking it apart, and soon i will start making a list of what i will need. Some parts i might be able to get them locally, so i am wondering what year parts should i search for. Fenders, seats, doors etc. Probably all the sheet metal will be from wolfparts or something. And i need a lot of them.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:41 pm    Post subject: Re: School me on the 1967 one year only stuff Reply with quote

Leoniums wrote:
I have a 67 project car and i am wondering if there is any list on which i can see which parts are similar with other year beetles.


Sorry to say Leoniums it is not quite that simple.

In 1967 there where eight or nine different VW factories around the World making ten to fifteen different versions of the Beetle.

To give you good answers to your questions it's best if you can share some of your Beetles history like what market was it originally sold in (EU, US, AUS, SA etc), what displacement it came with (1200, 1300 or 1500cc) and what trim level (ie Deluxe/Sparkafer).
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:15 pm    Post subject: Re: School me on the 1967 one year only stuff Reply with quote

Leoniums wrote:
I have a 67 project car and i am wondering if there is any list on which i can see which parts are similar with other year beetles.


As you found this thread, which started out with a similar question, Ithink you can see that such a list only exists in threads like these, when people share as much as they know. That being said this might assist:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=325676&highlight=pvc+rear+seat
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:03 pm    Post subject: Re: School me on the 1967 one year only stuff Reply with quote

I have a 67 project car and i am wondering if there is any list on which i can see which parts are similar with other year beetles.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:22 pm    Post subject: Re: School me on the 1967 one year only stuff Reply with quote

^^^LOL!! Now, that's funny Laughing

Bill told me he only had a couple. I guess you got the other one. I learned a LOT from him over a bunch of years. And you, too, Richard Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:08 pm    Post subject: Re: School me on the 1967 one year only stuff Reply with quote

Here is a picture of my 67 dust cover, I got from Bill May years ago. Yes, it is in a sealed display case.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:58 am    Post subject: Re: School me on the 1967 one year only stuff Reply with quote

Leoniums wrote:
i recently bought a 67 project car and i am wondering if there is somewhere a list with the part differences of this car.


No comprehensive list of '67 Type I only changes. Progressive Refinements can be reviewed, but it's a bit haphazard as it covers Type 1, 2, and 3. I don't believe it covers some of the subtle changes like the three different door lock pulls or the two different assist straps. This thread covers all that stuff.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Bill May posted a picture a while back of a decklid lock dust cover. He said it was a hard to find item. If i'm correct he said it was a 67 only item.
I found this one at the last Bugorama, however it was on a bus decklid lock and it has a part number of #211?7261. It has a small tear over the fourth digit. Did 67 bugs ever come with a dust cover for the decklid lock?
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I'm going to put a wanted ad for this, but I figured I would check here... anyone take pity on me, and want to sell me a 67 rear deck lid latch dust cover for my restoration - or have pointers where I can get one??

I managed to procure 2 NOS bus lock dust covers - obviously not the same thing. Sad

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The dust covers on 67 beetles did have the 211 part number.
Heritage was reproducing them some time ago, but they haven't had them on their site in quite a while...


Adding to the old conversation, I was lucky to be well enough in Bill May's good graces that he gave me one of his around 2006 or 7. The middle digit gets worn off but the part number is 211827261 and, yes, is a bus part number. It was only used in 1967. They are so rare because they are only held on by friction and over time, they just slip off. Neither of my '67 bugs (that I bought from the original owners) had them, and neither did my '67 21-Window. None had locking deck lid latches, which this part fits.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:31 am    Post subject: Re: School me on the 1967 one year only stuff Reply with quote

i recently bought a 67 project car and i am wondering if there is somewhere a list with the part differences of this car.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:59 am    Post subject: Re: School me on the 1967 one year only stuff Reply with quote

Add convertible Visors as one year only '67 parts

151 857 551 C and 552 C are specific to '67.

151 857 551 B is for 64-66 and D is '68-? (didn't really check to see)


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:39 am    Post subject: Re: School me on the 1967 one year only stuff Reply with quote

Jos.Hall wrote:
Has anyone mentioned Door panels as one year only '67 items?


Whoah! I had no idea! Didn't you pick those up as NOS, too? The new panels look outstanding.
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